Week 9 Chiefs @ Raiders - Page 2

RaiderNation · 11-07-2010, 12:28 PM

With Miller likely out, I expect alot of 1 TE and 1 extra olinemen sets similar to what we did against Denver when Myers was out. Smash mouth football is the way we are going to win

bernbabybern820 · 11-07-2010, 03:16 PM

Damn any streams?

RaiderNation · 11-07-2010, 03:18 PM

3 and out good **** defense

Xonraider · 11-07-2010, 05:53 PM

Where is McClain??

Paranoidmoonduck · 11-07-2010, 05:55 PM

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Where is McClain??

Injured hip.

vidae · 11-07-2010, 07:01 PM

Good game. Good luck the rest of the way.

slightlyaraiderfan · 11-07-2010, 07:05 PM

Who is going to buy a Ford jersey?

SwagU · 11-07-2010, 07:09 PM

Damn it feels good to be a Raider fan right now. I will forever love Jacoby Ford.

Stash · 11-07-2010, 07:13 PM

Great job coming back to win. I have to give Campbell credit for making a couple good throws late in the game (he still sucks though, seriously). Ford should share the game ball with Seymour, they both came up huge.

Paranoidmoonduck · 11-07-2010, 07:14 PM

Ford is the player of the week.

304 total yards, 1 TD.

vidae · 11-07-2010, 07:21 PM

Jacoby Ford **** on us. He had a field day against Flowers too, not something I'm used to seeing.

This one is going to sting for a while. Do me a favor? Beat the snot out of the next few teams you play.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 08:27 PM

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I agree. Campbell's been good these past two weeks, but who wouldn't be with Darren McFadden blowing up the Earth?

This team will be better when Grad comes back, should be after the bye. Although if Campbell doesn't screw up this week, it'll be his job.

Grad could NOT make some of the throws JC did in this game. It's JCs job.

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Originally Posted by Stash

Great job coming back to win. I have to give Campbell credit for making a couple good throws late in the game (he still sucks though, seriously). Ford should share the game ball with Seymour, they both came up huge.

If Grad did exactly what JC did you'd be singing his praises as being clutch while at the same time degrading JC.

bernbabybern820 · 11-07-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt

Grad could NOT make some of the throws JC did in this game. It's JCs job.

True Bruce probably wouldn't be able to fit in a throw into tight space like JC can but it's pretty obvious that he moves the offense better than Campbell. Don't forget that McGraw dropped a gimme interception and Ford stole one away from Flowers.

619 · 11-07-2010, 08:53 PM

It's clearly Bruce's job when ready.

If healthy, do you think Cable will deny Bruce the opportunity to play in his hometown? I can't foresee that happening. Campbell can't read defenses (or he's very slow at moving through his progressions), so you could imagine the trouble LeBeau's zone-blitz schemes would give. Against that D we need someone who can make the quick read, know how to zip it out to the hot read, and be able to push the ball downfield with relative accuracy. That doesn't sound like anything Campbell is capable of.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bernbabybern820

True Bruce probably wouldn't be able to fit in a throw into tight space like JC can but it's pretty obvious that he moves the offense better than Campbell. Don't forget that McGraw dropped a gimme interception and Ford stole one away from Flowers.

Okay, but it's not like Grad is perfect himself. He's thrown some up for grabs as well. His completion % is much lower than JC's, he can't stay healthy and he only excells at improvised play. We needed him when the line wasn't blocking and now that the line is blocking, JC can run the offense. Again, he could NOT make that throw on 1st and 20 to Ford.

Finally, this is the thing everyone seems to miss. If a QB needs to be pulled, do you want Grad giving the team a spark off the bench or JC giving the team a spark off the bench? They are in their right roles currently.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 619

It's clearly Bruce's job when ready.

If healthy, do you think Cable will deny Bruce the opportunity to play in his hometown? I can't foresee that happening. Campbell can't read defenses (or he's very slow at moving through his progressions), so you could imagine the trouble LeBeau's zone-blitz schemes would give. Against that D we need someone who can make the quick read, know how to zip it out to the hot read, and be able to push the ball downfield with relative accuracy. That doesn't sound like anything Campbell is capable of.

Campbell is capable of a three game win streak. Campbell can read defenses. Campbell is actually the BETTER scrambler. Campbell can make tough sideline throws with precision. Campbell has a far better completion % and Campbell isn't made out of glass. Let's stop making Grad out to be something he isn't, and that's a starting NFL QB.

619 · 11-07-2010, 09:01 PM

PMD, RaiderNation and others, get in here. I don't have the patience for this.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bernbabybern820

True Bruce probably wouldn't be able to fit in a throw into tight space like JC can but it's pretty obvious that he moves the offense better than Campbell. Don't forget that McGraw dropped a gimme interception and Ford stole one away from Flowers.

Ford also gave up a long reception or at the very least a PI by not fighting back to the ball early in the game. The TE also got held coming out of this break and on the INT, there was contact by the defender.

Funny how we nitpick Campbell in victories, but I have yet to see anyone nitpick Grad in the same manner.

The bottom line is that no matter how much people like to root for the little guy, he can't be counted on as a starter.

Paranoidmoonduck · 11-07-2010, 09:03 PM

What is there to say? Campbell has shown remarkable growth the past three weeks (although two of those weeks were against **** defenses) and even recognizing all that, Gradkowski should still obviously be the starter.

There isn't even a tiny bit of doubt in my mind about that.

Stash · 11-07-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt

If Grad did exactly what JC did you'd be singing his praises as being clutch while at the same time degrading JC.

No I would not. If Grad did that, I would be criticizing him for playing like ****. But that wasn't Bruce, it was JC who was playing like ****.

Gradkowski has been an average-above average QB for us. He's not great, he has his faults. Having said that, he is still head and shoulders above JC. Campbell was absolutely awful until KC used the prevent defense late. In the three Raider wins, most of his yards were YAC on passes in the flats or totally lucky passes. He made about 3-4 nice throws today, that's it. And I don't know what exactly you're watching to make you think Bruce can't make the same throws. That's just absurd.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

What is there to say? Campbell has shown remarkable growth the past three weeks (although two of those weeks were against **** defenses) and even recognizing all that, Gradkowski should still obviously be the starter.

There isn't even a tiny bit of doubt in my mind about that.

Well he should show growth from his first start with a new team starting a rookie C on the road at the Titans, wouldn't ya say? Why are you so convinced the little street ball player is a better STARTER than Jason Campbell?

Stash · 11-07-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt

Campbell is capable of a three game win streak. Campbell can read defenses. Campbell is actually the BETTER scrambler. Campbell can make tough sideline throws with precision. Campbell has a far better completion % and Campbell isn't made out of glass. Let's stop making Grad out to be something he isn't, and that's a starting NFL QB.

A better scrambler?! Every single week he just stands there and gets sacked. He could have avoided 2-3 of the sacks tonight if he wasn't such a big dummy.

As far as his %; bwahahaha did you seriously just say that. You can't just look at the stat sheet without watching the games. The reason he has a better completion % is because he rarely throws the ball beyond 5 yards. Obviously if you checkdown every friggin time you're gonna complete a lot of those.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stash

No I would not. If Grad did that, I would be criticizing him for playing like ****. But that wasn't Bruce, it was JC who was playing like ****.

Gradkowski has been an average-above average QB for us. He's not great, he has his faults. Having said that, he is still head and shoulders above JC. Campbell was absolutely awful until KC used the prevent defense late. In the three Raider wins, most of his yards were YAC on passes in the flats or totally lucky passes. He made about 3-4 nice throws today, that's it. And I don't know what exactly you're watching to make you think Bruce can't make the same throws. That's just absurd.

Um, that 1st and 20 to Ford, Grad cannot make. Even some Grad fans have admitted that.

Let's face it, the only reason you guys like Grad is because "he won." Well guess what? Jason just won three in a row. He has more wins than Grad. Furthermore, the last time we saw Grad he looked like utter crap and made some horrible decisions. And please, Jason made more than 3-4 good throws this game. You obviously don't like him, but I think you need to give him his due. He's not Peyton Manning, but neiter is Grad. But now that they line is blocking, we can do MORE on offense with Campbell. Campbell can make the tight throw Grad can't, and, he's better as staying health.

Admit it, you didn't believe he could get it done in this sort of situation and he proved you wrong and everyone else wrong.

Black Bolt · 11-07-2010, 09:31 PM

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A better scrambler?! Every single week he just stands there and gets sacked. He could have avoided 2-3 of the sacks tonight if he wasn't such a big dummy.

As far as his %; bwahahaha did you seriously just say that. You can't just look at the stat sheet without watching the games. The reason he has a better completion % is because he rarely throws the ball beyond 5 yards. Obviously if you checkdown every friggin time you're gonna complete a lot of those.

Getting sacks and actually scrambling are two different things. Jason needs to throw the damn ball away instead of running out of bound or getting stacked. And guess what? Grad almost died the last two times he scrambled and tried to play Mr. Tough guy. That's why he is out now. He's NOT a starter, he's a good back up.

Oh, and I believe the man threw the ball more than 5 yards tonight....multiple times.....in the most clutch situations. He makes the plays that are there, not the ones that aren't. I am amazing you would argue with three wins in a row....amazed.

PS: I watch every game, every play and I can tell you all about them.

Stash · 11-07-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt

Um, that 1st and 20 to Ford, Grad cannot make. Even some Grad fans have admitted that.

Let's face it, the only reason you guys like Grad is because "he won." Well guess what? Jason just won three in a row. He has more wins than Grad. Furthermore, the last time we saw Grad he looked like utter crap and made some horrible decisions. And please, Jason made more than 3-4 good throws this game. You obviously don't like him, but I think you need to give him his due. He's not Peyton Manning, but neiter is Grad. But now that they line is blocking, we can do MORE on offense with Campbell. Campbell can make the tight throw Grad can't, and, he's better as staying health.

Admit it, you didn't believe he could get it done in this sort of situation and he proved you wrong and everyone else wrong.

1st, yes, Grad could probably make that throw.

2nd, no I don't like Grad just because he won. If I only liked a QB when a team won, then I'd be here singing praise for Campbell because the Raiders just won 3 in a row with him behind center. But I'm not doing that because it is clear as day that Bruce is a better QB and the Raiders are winning despite Campbell, not because of him. And no, Campbell did not make more than 3-4 good throws, you obviously just have some kind of man crush on him. Grad can make the tight throws that Campbell throws 10 feet wide or right to a defender, I think you need to give Bruce his due.

The only thing Campbell proved is that he isn't very good at throwing a football. The Raiders won today mostly because of good D, a big ST play, and 3-4 good throws from the QB late in the game. If he was halfway competent, he wouldn't have sucked for 3.5 quarters.