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Old 11-09-2010, 10:32 PM    (permalink
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Hear these allegations of cheating in academics?

I have no doubt he has. Most kids do, myself included. No shame in it.
No shame in it?
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This is VERY telling if it is true and provides even more evidence against Newton.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5786315
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I feel bad for him. 21 years old and he has the entire world trying to take him down. He's a victim whether he's ever proven guilty. That's the worst part of the system.
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I feel bad for him. 21 years old and he has the entire world trying to take him down. He's a victim whether he's ever proven guilty. That's the worst part of the system.
I don't.

He's got an amazing talent and the potential to make some serious cash in the NFL. Only person who will stop him is himself.
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Victim if this is all false.

If true than I might feel a little bit bad for him, because it looks like his dad may have screwed him like Rev did to Marcus Dupree.
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Sounds like a lot of "if trues" so far.

God, the SEC is really made up of a bunch of tattle telling 15 year old girls. And I'm a huge SEC fan.
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Hear these allegations of cheating in academics?

I have no doubt he has. Most kids do, myself included. No shame in it.
No shame? Are you ******* kidding me?

They caught him cheating 3 times, he was facing expulsion then transferred very suddenly to Blinn JC. Who knows how many times he actually cheated. Even Meyer & Florida with their program full of miscreants booted him as soon as they heard about it, you cannot defend cheating in academics.

Expulsion serious enough? No shame in that?

Too late to do anything about it now but it builds the fire higher & heat hotter on him. Auburn is getting closer to a no-win situation here, if the win a NC with him, it's tainted whether the NCAA takes action now or later against Newton. If the NCAA drops the hammer before this season ends, their chances at a national title are diminished by > half.
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No shame? Are you ******* kidding me?

They caught him cheating 3 times, he was facing expulsion then transferred very suddenly to Blinn JC. Who knows how many times he actually cheated. Even Meyer & Florida with their program full of miscreants booted him as soon as they heard about it, you cannot defend cheating in academics.

Expulsion serious enough? No shame in that?
Yeah, that line of thought shocked and saddened me as well.
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So if schools can get death penalty for lack of institutional control, what happens when the organizational body (SEC) lacks oversight?
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Vegas just stopped taking bets on Georgia/Auburn. Something is up...
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An Iowa St. fan (random, I know) on their board just said in Dallas a radio station is "reporting" that the NCAA is preparing to rule Cam inelligible.

Not very reliable, but goes along with Vegas stopping bets.
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Chizik said in an SEC conference call that Newton is playing against Georgia.
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O NOEZ!!!!
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Just to clarify, you can still do something and be shameful for it. Just because someone cheated doesn't mean it's ok/not shameful necessarily.
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Just to clarify, you can still do something and be shameful for it. Just because someone cheated doesn't mean it's ok/not shameful necessarily.
It's the NCAA's fault. They need to stop being so unreasonable. I mean, they ask kids to go to class, not cheat AND not accept benefits? It's just so hard for all these poor kids from the ghetto.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it is not a violation to even ask a school for money it's only a violation if you actually receive money, so unless they find some sort of evidence that Cam took money to play from Auburn I don't think he can be ruled ineligible.
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No shame? Are you ******* kidding me?

They caught him cheating 3 times, he was facing expulsion then transferred very suddenly to Blinn JC. Who knows how many times he actually cheated. Even Meyer & Florida with their program full of miscreants booted him as soon as they heard about it, you cannot defend cheating in academics.

Expulsion serious enough? No shame in that?

Too late to do anything about it now but it builds the fire higher & heat hotter on him. Auburn is getting closer to a no-win situation here, if the win a NC with him, it's tainted whether the NCAA takes action now or later against Newton. If the NCAA drops the hammer before this season ends, their chances at a national title are diminished by > half.
Might as well find out what size jacket Andrew Luck wears for the heisman, not that he didnt deserve it already.
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Might as well find out what size jacket Andrew Luck wears for the heisman, not that he didnt deserve it already.
Poor LaMichael James. No one informed me that he died. Such a young age, too.
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Poor LaMichael James. No one informed me that he died. Such a young age, too.

Best QB in the country against a rb who's numbers are inflated because of the system they run there. I'll take Luck.
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Best QB in the country against a rb who's numbers are inflated because of the system they run there. I'll take Luck.
James is still the top offensive player on the No. 1 team in the country, second-leading rusher in the country (would be No. 1 if if he hadn't missed the opener) and put up 257 yards and three touchdowns against Stanford. His worst game was 94 yards rushing and he's had at least 121 yards in every other game. If Newton doesn't win it, I like James' chances.
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Best QB in the country against a rb who's numbers are inflated because of the system they run there. I'll take Luck.
Just for argument's sake, what makes Luck's season better than Ricky Stanzi's?

(Stanzi doesn't deserve the Heisman, just making a comparison)
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Just for argument's sake, what makes Luck's season better than Ricky Stanzi's?

(Stanzi doesn't deserve the Heisman, just making a comparison)
Luck has had hype since the beginning of the season, so THERE!

Seriously, Ricky America has been awesome this year.
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I'd take James right now for the Heisman and then I'd expect him to declare for the draft as well.
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On a pure numbers standpoint it's interesting to make the comparison since almost nobody considers him even a top 10 Heisman finalist and most don't consider him a "real QB" but:

Darron Thomas 2070 yards passing, 20 TD's, 6 INTs, 158.40 QB rating, 400 yards rushing, 4 TD's
Andrew Luck 2213 yards passing, 22 TD's, 6 INT's, 163.37 QB rating, 370 rushing yards, 3 TD's.

And Thomas is actually that guy who is the QB for the #1 team in the nation, not saying he deserves it but just wonder why he isn't even in the conversation. Yeah he has James with him but Darron is really the guy who operates the offense and keeps it going at its ridiculous pace. TBH though I think the voters are leaning towards Kellen Moore at this point.
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