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Old 11-10-2010, 03:34 PM    (permalink
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Luck has had hype since the beginning of the season, so THERE!

Seriously, Ricky America has been awesome this year.
So one guy has been the beneficiary of hype and the other guy (with near identical numbers) has been awesome this year. OK.
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So one guy has been the beneficiary of hype and the other guy (with near identical numbers) has been awesome this year. OK.
Right, because I totally said Luck was undeserving of hype.
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Stanzi has the best improvement arc in his career of any major program QB today, & he played against arguably tougher defenses than Luck.

Luck is however the better player, favorite for the #1 overall pick if he declares according to most of the mocks including McShay's today on ESPN.

Everybody has Luck going to Buffalo. Where do you see Newton going? Carolina?

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Absolutely agreed. Luck is an outstanding QB and deserves all the hype. But his production isn't all that much different than Stanzi's, outside of his better rushing statistics really.

As of right now, I'd give it to James as well if I were a Heisman voter. The Newton fiasco is too risky as an unwanted PR mess down the line, especially after seemingly just getting past the Bush fiasco.
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Right, because I totally said Luck was undeserving of hype.
You're backtracking there because you made it sound like the only reason Luck was in the conversation was because of hype.
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Absolutely agreed. Luck is an outstanding QB and deserves all the hype. But his production isn't all that much different than Stanzi's, outside of his better rushing statistics really.

As of right now, I'd give it to James as well if I were a Heisman voter. The Newton fiasco is too risky as an unwanted PR mess down the line, especially after seemingly just getting past the Bush fiasco.
I wouldnt give it to James because i could gain yardage in that offense, take him out of that lineup and i'm not sure they arent still undefeated. Without Luck (or Ricky for that matter) their teams are average at best.
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The 2nd round.
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The 2nd round.
My guess is federal prison.
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My guess is federal prison.
before I read your post I wanted to make a post that read:

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You're backtracking there because you made it sound like the only reason Luck was in the conversation was because of hype.
Can you point out where I said that? I want the exact quote, verbatim, word-for-word where I said that the only reason Luck was in the conversation was due to hype. My response was to...

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Just for argument's sake, what makes Luck's season better than Ricky Stanzi's?
So no, I'm not backtracking. The reason why Luck has received more attention is because people knew more of him and heard about him more before the season than Stanzi.

I would sincerely appreciate it if you would stop attempting to attribute things to me that I never said. Thank you.
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My guess is federal prison.
Sounds to me that his dad should be the one heading to the shed for awhile.
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Sounds to me that his dad should be the one heading to the shed for awhile.
True. But the joke wouldn't have worked as well.
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Sounds to me that his dad should be the one heading to the shed for awhile.
True, still no word on the NCAA looking into his father's or his father's churches' financial rcds. Sounds like Rev. Dad was the bagman here & the beneficiary of any $ paid for Newton's services with these improvements recently made to at least one of his 5 churches that has suddenly been brought up to code. That alone has raised suspicions.

Chizik has done nothing but play to the crowd in the early media inquiries, refusing to discuss the alleged price paid, changing the subject when questioned to Newton's current eligibility, & now he's refusing to discuss anything other than the upcoming UGA game.

I can't believe Auburn was so stupid as to pay for this guy in this day & age of media & NCAA scrutiny, or take him with his track record from Florida & all the clouds of suspicion coming from Kenny Rogers & Mississippi St. The cheating, as he was caught 3 times, & the stolen laptop in his possession then thrown out the window with the cops coming are public records, note that he's never denied them b/c he can't. I guess they really were thatdesperate to win.

Also hard to believe the Newtons were dumb enough to tell media like Jim Rome during interviews that my "next decision will be a business one" + their phone conversations with Mississippi St. saying his college choice would be p/o a pay for play plan per the Joe Schad articles:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5790626

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5786315

Have they never hear of tape recorded conversations?

This genie is out of the bottle -- I think it has already cost Newton the Heisman, even if he wins the vote count b/c with the NCAA investigation still ongoing I don't think the Heisman committee will allow a highly profiled ceremony of handing him the trophy, all they could do in that case I guess is declare him ineligible for the trophy alone, not count his votes or simply not invite Newton, they can't cancel the whole ceremony.

And if proven that there were payments made, it could cost Auburn the wins where he played as it cost USC those with Reggie Bush. And Chizik would almost surely lose his job, the buck stops there.

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Maybe. However, rivals in the SEC love dropping the bomb on other programs.
See Fulmer, Tennessee. Nobody pointed his fat fingers like Jugbutt Fulmer..... how did that work out for his career? Somewhat career-limiting? What's that saying about the 3 fingers pointing back at the pointer?

And we all know other conferences don't have teams who dime their opponents on infractions :- (

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See Fulmer, Tennessee. Nobody pointed his fat fingers like Jugbutt Fulmer..... how did that work out for his career? Somewhat career-limiting? What's that saying about the 3 fingers pointing back at the pointer?

And we all know other conferences don't have teams who dime their opponents on infractions :- (
Phat Phil is such a little slimeball. I am so glad he is gone.

It happens in other conferences, just nowhere near this rate and craziness. It's all out mud slinging in the SEC. Crazy.

Oh, for instance, Bruce Pearl turned in Illinois for recruiting violations back in the day when he was an assistant at Iowa. Funny that he's in the SEC now.

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That was a gratuitous shot at Saban. Sorry. Not a fan of his oversigning tactics. If he thought Cam was great, he would have cut one of the 3 QBs.
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If he thought Cam was great, he would have cut one of the 3 QBs.
HEY, HEY, HEY! That's medical scholarship to you, Buster.
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I thought it was violation of team rules? :)
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Yup, like I said earlier in this thread, the SEC is made up of a bunch of 15 year old high school girls tattling on each other and trying to **** each other over.

Bunch of *****.

I think it's fairly obvious what the solution to this whole thing is. You've got to let these players take out loans from banks. Right now they can't, because there's a murky grey area of having to prove they didn't receive the loan as a result of preferential treatment or being an athlete. But that should be the entire point: they'd be taking out a loan on themselves, which ANY STUDENT CAN DO.

The whole system is just so convoluted and stupid.

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Yup, like I said earlier in this thread, the SEC is made up of a bunch of 15 year old high school girls tattling on each other and trying to **** each other over.

Bunch of *****.

I think it's fairly obvious what the solution to this whole thing is. You've got to let these players take out loans from banks. Right now they can't, because there's a murky grey area of having to prove they didn't receive the loan as a result of preferential treatment or being an athlete. But that should be the entire point: they'd be taking out a loan on themselves, which ANY STUDENT CAN DO.

The whole system is just so convoluted and stupid.
There should be some sort of scholarship vs paid route. Most players will still be scholarship players, but the superstars should be allowed to opt out of the scholly in exchange for 3rd party payment.

I see no problem with this, as it already exists, it's just a lot shadier.
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There should be some sort of scholarship vs paid route. Most players will still be scholarship players, but the superstars should be allowed to opt out of the scholly in exchange for 3rd party payment.

I see no problem with this, as it already exists, it's just a lot shadier.
Other than it being illegal, violating Title IX, and other issues, no problem at all.
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Other than it being illegal, violating Title IX, and other issues, no problem at all.
Obviously I'm talking about re-writing D1 Rules.

Illegal? How? Other students get paid for their extracurricular activities.

Apply it to all sports. Not many people with money are going to pay players for womens sports.

Other issues being what? We are talking about a multi-billion dollar per year industry where the majority of the participants get paid a low salary (schollies).

The market would dictate the going rate for superstars. There would have to be a bunch of rules, but it's better than the current system where the football factories have boosters that pay for players behind the scenes.
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Obviously I'm talking about re-writing D1 Rules.

Illegal? How? Other students get paid for their extracurricular activities.

Apply it to all sports. Not many people with money are going to pay players for womens sports.

Other issues being what? We are talking about a multi-billion dollar per year industry where the majority of the participants get paid a low salary (schollies).

The market would dictate the going rate for superstars. There would have to be a bunch of rules, but it's better than the current system where the football factories have boosters that pay for players behind the scenes.
You're talking about an industry where most of the schools are losing money, even BCS schools.

What defines a "superstar"? There are schools with substantially bigger and wealthier sets of boosters, so the ones without them are just boned?

This creates far more problems than it solves.
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There should be some sort of scholarship vs paid route. Most players will still be scholarship players, but the superstars should be allowed to opt out of the scholly in exchange for 3rd party payment.

I see no problem with this, as it already exists, it's just a lot shadier.
So the so called superstars have to then pay their own tuition? I think the system is fine the way it is as it works for 99% of the athletes out there. I dont think you change the rules for a few cheaters.
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If Cam doesn't win the Heisman and is never ruled ineligible sucks for the guy who actually wins the Heisman because everyone will put an asterisk beside their name.
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If Cam doesn't win the Heisman and is never ruled ineligible sucks for the guy who actually wins the Heisman because everyone will put an asterisk beside their name.
Luck and Stanzi, who both have better passing numbers than Newton, are supposed to feel guilty, i dont think so.
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