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Old 11-29-2010, 09:56 PM    (permalink
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...Not allowing an NFC West team into the playoffs if they finish below .500.

I am in total agreement. Its absolutely awful right now that teams like the Packers, Bucs, and even the Redskins all deserve to be in the playoffs over the winner of that division. The way things are turning out, the winner could be 7-9 with the way these teams are playing. I mean, the Niners are 3-7 and still in the hunt.

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Maybe on giving them a home game in the playoffs. But no playoff spot at all: I don't think so.
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They should keep the automatic playoff spot for division winners, just seed the teams by their record and it won't be a problem.
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They will never do that.

And there is a good chance St. Louis or Seattle goes at least 3-2 or SF goes 4-1 going forward because they all play each other.
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...Not allowing an NFC West team into the playoffs if they finish below .500.

I am in total agreement. Its absolutely awful right now that teams like the Packers, Bucs, and even the Redskins all deserve to be in the playoffs over the winner of that division. The way things are turning out, the winner could be 7-9 with the way these teams are playing. I mean, the Niners are 3-7 and still in the hunt.

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the redskins dont deserve to be in the playoffs this year no matter how many games teams in the NFC west win.
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They should keep the automatic playoff spot for division winners, just seed the teams by their record and it won't be a problem.
What about when a team like GB, who is a Super Bowl Contender in my Opinion, is outside at 7-4. Do you think a 7-9 or 8-8 team like the Seahawks, Niners, Cardinals, or Rams should play in the post season over them? Come on. I thought the playoffs are supposed to be for the best teams. Clearly, the teams in the NFC West are not playoff quality.
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Winning the division shouldn't count for seeding. That should be based on W/L. Winning the division should always get you into the playoffs though, regardless of how bad the NFC West is right now.
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I'd rather have a team that is probably between 60 and 65% wins instead of a team that is below 50% wins. That's just embarrassing. If you can't win an abysmal division with a winning record, you don't belong in the playoffs.
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What about when a team like GB, who is a Super Bowl Contender in my Opinion, is outside at 7-4. Do you think a 7-9 or 8-8 team like the Seahawks, Niners, Cardinals, or Rams should play in the post season over them? Come on. I thought the playoffs are supposed to be for the best teams. Clearly, the teams in the NFC West are not playoff quality.
Trying to judge the strength of schedule is too hard in the NFL as no 2 teams play the same opposition each year. There is no fair way to judge who the best teams are (would you like a bcs system for the NFL), so the division concept works.

It is really quite simple, if you arent the best team in your division, then you shouldnt be guaranteed a spot in the playoffs.
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there would be no point in having a division then
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Not to mention that I don't want the NFL to become like others sports (ie the NBA) where division games and rivalries aren't particularly important. With an expanded schedule and no guaranteed playoff spot for division winners, you'd start to dilute that.
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It doesn't matter. It has never happened before. No team finishing 7-9 or worse has ever won their division and made the playoffs. There have been some really bad teams and divisions that have played and no one has had it happen. Sure, it could happen this year, but it could have happened any other year and it hasn't. Most likely at least 1 team will finish 8-8. Any team at or above .500 and wins their division deserves a playoff game.

Now, the argument for the seeding and receiving a home playoff game is crap. Seeding should be based upon win loss record.
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I agree. For instance, let the Saints host the Rams. Plus, it could be a very embarassing loss for the NFC west team at home. So jut let it happen on the road. But, yeah give all the division winners a playoff spot.
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or they could just leave it as is and if you don't like it, Roger Goodell will tell you to shove it and find another source of football.
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Call me crazy but I dont see a problem with the way it is. If you dont win your division, then you go on the road. Dont like it, then win your ******* division.
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Call me crazy but I dont see a problem with the way it is. If you dont win your division, then you go on the road. Dont like it, then win your ******* division.
I am cool with that too. I, obviously love the fact all the divisons get a playoff spot. I understand Bucs fans and Packer fans beefs this year, I do. But one year the NFC South or NFC North will stink and their champ will be awful and the NFC West will be a power. It happens....
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I am cool with that too. I, obviously love the fact all the divisons get a playoff spot. I understand Bucs fans and Packer fans beefs this year, I do. But one year the NFC South or NFC North will stink and their champ will be awful and the NFC West will be a power. It happens....
whoa whoa whoa, foresight? what the **** kind of forum do you think this is?
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Maybe in the Pro-Bowl, they can take one of the AFC's QBs and put him on the NFC Roster, because it's not fair that the best QBs are in the AFC.
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I am cool with that too. I, obviously love the fact all the divisons get a playoff spot. I understand Bucs fans and Packer fans beefs this year, I do. But one year the NFC South or NFC North will stink and their champ will be awful and the NFC West will be a power. It happens....
I dont understand it, because people keep ignoring strength of schedule. How can anyone except a Bucs fan think they deserve to be in the playoffs as of right now? They are third in their division, and they have lost to every team they have played that is a playoff team. The steelers, ravens, saints and falcons are all playoff teams, and they beat the Bucs. The Bucs wins have come against extremely soft teams. Crying and moaning about deserving to be in the playoffs when you can beat anyone worth a **** is just sour grapes IMO.
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They should rely on a combination of polls and computer selection methods to determine relative team rankings, and to narrow the field to two teams to play in the Super Bowl.
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I really hope u are joking.
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I'm not. They could call it the Super Bowl Championship Series. It would be based on a complicated mathematical formula, so there is no way anything could go wrong.
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if you dont want bad teams winning divisions then just have two divisions: Afc and NFC and rank according to record. Thats the only way around the current system, which usually works pretty well.
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Winning the division shouldn't count for seeding. That should be based on W/L. Winning the division should always get you into the playoffs though, regardless of how bad the NFC West is right now.
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It would make it awfully complicated, and you'd have fans complaining that their team wasn't chosen. There's a strong case for it, but I think they keep it.
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