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Old 12-03-2010, 05:42 PM    (permalink
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The funny thing is you could probably make a case for Freeney. He still has the fastest first step in football, the guy is insane.
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I know most will think as this post as a homer type post, but Raji has been coming into his own as this season has gone on and has become comfortable with his roles this year as he was last year; I believe by next year he'll reach Ngata's level, but right now give me the best in the game which is Ngata.
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I know most will think as this post as a homer type post, but Raji has been coming into his own as this season has gone on and has become comfortable with his roles this year as he was last year; I believe by next year he'll reach Ngata's level, but right now give me the best in the game which is Ngata.
I love love LOVE Raji, he's been huge for us. But to suggest that he'll ever touch Ngata is just wrong. Raji can do a lot of things, but he'll never be as athletic as Ngata is at a similar weight. He's a freak of nature.
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What, you guys don't agree with Jonathan Babineuaxuxux?
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The funny thing is you could probably make a case for Freeney. He still has the fastest first step in football, the guy is insane.
I would love to see him on the cowboys as a rushbacker with no runstopping responsibilities. I bet he would be as effective as ware or even better.
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I would love to see him on the cowboys as a rushbacker with no runstopping responsibilities. I bet he would be as effective as ware or even better.
I can understand wanting to see him in a 3-4, but lets not pretend like he has any runstopping responsibilities with the Colts.
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Didn't expect Ngata to be as near to consensus as he is...he def deserves it tho
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Some other studs off the top of my head:

49ers DL Justin Smith
49ers LB Patrick Willis
Bears DL Julius Peppers
Bears LB Lance Briggs
Broncos LB Elvis Dumervil
Buccaneers DL Gerald McCoy
Cardinals DL Darnell Dockett
Chargers LB Shaun Phillips
Chiefs DL Glenn Dorsey
Chiefs LB Tamba Hali
Colts DL Dwight Freeney
Cowboys LB DeMarcus Ware
Dolphins DL Randy Starks
Dolphins LB Cameron Wake
Giants DL Justin Tuck
Giants DL Osi Umenyiora
Packers LB Clay Matthews Jr.
Panthers LB Jon Beason
Patriots DL Vince Wilfork
Patriots LB Jerod Mayo
Raiders DL Richard Seymour
Raiders LB Rolando McClain
Rams DL Chris Long
Rams LB James Laurinaitis
Ravens DL Haloti Ngata
Ravens LB Ray Lewis
Ravens LB Terrell Suggs
Redskins LB Brian Orakpo
Saints LB Jon Vilma
Steelers LB James Harrison
Steelers LB Lawrence Timmons
Steelers LB LaMarr Woodley
Texans DL Mario Williams
Texans LB DeMeco Ryans
Vikings DL Jared Allen
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That is a very big list of names without last years sack leader on it. There is quite a bit of statistical proof around about how much of a difference he makes to the Broncos defense.
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Can't go wrong with any of

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As somebody who has actually watched Jonathan Babineaux, I can confirm that he has been the best 4-3 DT in football this year. So stop hating.

Ngata is the correct answer to this thread though.
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As somebody who has actually watched Jonathan Babineaux, I can confirm that he has been the best 4-3 DT in football this year. So stop hating.

Ngata is the correct answer to this thread though.
Babineaux is not a household name, so most won't agree with you. They need to be told be ESPN how good he is before they can agree. Plus, he's never been voted to a Pro Bowl, and we all know what a flawless measure of a player that is.
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Since we're just spewing random names that probably shouldn't be in conversation... Jason Jones. Probably the best passrushing DT in the league right now.
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I can understand wanting to see him in a 3-4, but lets not pretend like he has any runstopping responsibilities with the Colts.
Except he wouldn't have to worry about gap control as much as a rushbacker. That and he wouldn't have to take on a LT and a Rb almost everyplay.
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I love love LOVE Raji, he's been huge for us. But to suggest that he'll ever touch Ngata is just wrong. Raji can do a lot of things, but he'll never be as athletic as Ngata is at a similar weight. He's a freak of nature.
I never said he is a smae freak of nature as he is. Reaching a talent level and the same work of body is different. Both can be at the same level, at different sizes.
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Raji will be a premier DT in this league, but I think it may not be as soon as next season. I think he can become a Pro Bowl caliber player by next year but I don't think he'll challenge the NFLs elite (Ngata) for a couple seasons. I've been impressed by the progress he's shown this year. He's close to making the next step and becoming a dominant force. Green Bay got a real good player in Raji.
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DE- Haloti Ngata
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Dumervil is a guy who exploded last year pre-injury and imo is a top 5 3-4 OLB
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Gotta go with the consensus; Ngata. He affects every aspect of D for the Ravens on every play, guys like Matthews and Ware are pretty one-dimensional overall; neither is really a good cover guy and neither are really that amazing against the run. James Harrison would be my #2, 'cuz his intimidation factor is sorta what Ray Lewis had in the day.. teams are terrified to come across the middle against the Steelers, plus he's a better cover guy than either Ware or Matthews and better against the run, if not quite as elite a pass-rusher.
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I'll take Ngata as well, guy is an absolute beast and perhaps more importantly, assuming a fantasy draft, he gives you complete flexibility to what scheme you will run.

If I know my scheme already I can see cases for Raji, Wilfork, Suh, Willis and Matthews as being as dominant or as prospectively dominant as Ngata but Ngata is giving me similar impact to all those guys regardless of the scheme I throw him in.

Reading this thread and thinking it over just makes me think even more how scary the Packers are... I actually hate being a Vikings fan knowing that in all reality when I assess the division that the Packers should be stomping all over us for the next 10 years... Some things in life aren't fair and the job they've done in the last 5 years assembling their team is one of them!
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Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Michigan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
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Ngata and Suh are 1a and 1b in my book. Both are domination.
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