Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 642

Sportsfan486 · 12-12-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RockJock07

I didn't watch the game and when i heard the final score i was literally speechless. I haven't seen any highlights so don't know what happened with Rodgers, Jennings, and this 4th and 1 call. \

Offense was completely flat and awful. Jennings dropped an easy TD pass early on, which bounced into a Lions hand for an INT. Rodgers had a 15 yard run and refused to slide at the end, took a hit and got a concussion. The Lions consistently destroyed the pocket with 4 lineman and no blitz. DESTROYED it.

Flynn got us to the goalline and threw a pick. Bad playcalling at crucial moments. We got to their 30 at the end of the game, got a 2nd and 2, then ran 3 consecutive bad playcalls. Flynn looked awful, on one third down he turned to the wrong side for a handoff and looked confused all game. Jennings also dropped another TD in the endzone from Flynn that we ended up with a FG from.

cvv84 · 12-12-2010, 04:17 PM

To me with these injuries, reguardless I truely feel that we're a better team then everyone that we've played so far. It just doesn't seem that we come to play every week, minus a few players. Where is the passion? Where is the effort? Every year its becoming a broken record. Poor special teams, poor offensive line play, penalties galore, and terrible tackling. I like McCarthy but how can these issues continually be ignored? We have to scrap this ZBS ******** at the very least and if our tackling would improve I can live with the rest.

Sportsfan486 · 12-12-2010, 04:22 PM

I agree. The fact that our special teams is always horrible and our teams can't tackle really reflects on coaching.

Also, I just threw up in my mouth a little seeing the Bears down 24-0. Congrats, it means nothing to us; even if they get blown out we need them to lose to Minny to in any way even the playing field (that'd give us = division losses if we won week 17.)

Argh.

jackalope · 12-12-2010, 04:47 PM

Even with this loss being as discouraging as it is, I still believe we end up making the playoffs if Rodgers starts the remainder of our games.

Sportsfan486 · 12-12-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

Even with this loss being as discouraging as it is, I still believe we end up making the playoffs if Rodgers starts the remainder of our games.

We no longer control our destiny. Easiest path is the Giants and Bucs failing and us beating them. Second easiest is the Bears losing to Minny, us beating the Giants, then beating the Bears.

Redskins flubbed an extra point that would have given them an OT chance against the Bucs today.

We need to start rooting for Minny. We want them to win their last four games.

And Rodgers is probably out for next week. Second concussion on the year, can't see them letting him play; the NFL-PA would be PISSED. The "good" news is we can take a loss to the Pats, our MUST WINS are the Giants and Bears. If we lose either of those we're toast.

J-Mike88 · 12-12-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Injuries played a role in our loss today but poor play calling from Mike McCarthy was what cost us the game more than anything

The fumble by Quarless on the first drive, at the Lions 30 yard line on what would have been a 1st down and routine TD drive.... that played a huge role.

The fumbled TD pass right to Jennings 2 hands..... either of those would have been enough to win this game, and it would have gotten the team on track as expected.

This NFC loss, this DIVISIONAL loss.... absolutely pathetic. Inexcusable.

Matt Flynn sucks.
He's slow.
And he'd dumber than a box of **** rocks.

Crucial 3rd & short play... off a TIMEOUT where we talked about the play, and he turns the wrong way on the handoff?

Final play, 4th down, he goes deep to an open Jennings, and he overthrows him? Just like Rodgers in the Cardinal game in overtime.
On plays like that, you need to err on the side of underthrows, not overthrows.
On underthrows, the WR can see the ball and get it. And more often than not, the DB ends up banging into the WR who stops to get the ball and gets the huge pass interference calls.

We would have won with a veteran backup today like a Jon Kitna or Mark Brunell I believe.

Matt Flynn just cost himself millions of dollars today because there might have been a team out there that was willing to blindly throw a big contract at him a la what the stupid Seahawks did this year for Charlie Whitehurst based on his preseason numbers.

On a positive note, at least our loss today wasn't by 3 points. We broke that trend.

Final note: How bout that White Wall today? The OL sucked, and it didn't matter that #7 honkee Jason Spitz was in, or #8 honkee TJ Lang was in. No holes for RBs and QBs never had a nice pocket. #6 honkee Bulaga (Tauscher was #5) was steamrolled backwards many times. Clifton was ran around like a slow fat farmer. Tom Crabtree was manhandled by his guy and that's why this guy made the team, his supposed strong blocking. Where was Donald Lee? At least he can block.

This was the same Lions defense that allowed 45 points to the Patriots 2 weeks ago, and 30 or something to Chicago last week. We put up 3. Graham Harrell would have fared better than Flynn. Maybe even Jordy Nelson who I think was our emergency QB.

drowe · 12-12-2010, 05:28 PM

And, ya know what. **** Matt Flynn. For the alleged praise, he had 2.5 quarters to get a TD or a couple FGs against Detroit and he laid an egg. Flynn fail.

senormysterioso · 12-12-2010, 05:39 PM

That interception in the endzone is the only thing that Flynn did that was unforgivable.

It's so frustrating to **** the bed like that.

Sportsfan486 · 12-12-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by senormysterioso

That interception in the endzone is the only thing that Flynn did that was unforgivable.

It's so frustrating to **** the bed like that.

That third down where he went the wrong direction is the other, imo. How do you go the wrong way as a QB? You're the backup, you should know the plays like the back of your hand.

BloodBrother · 12-12-2010, 06:30 PM

Man, Rodgers needs to get down and slide. Those extra 2-3 yards he got(well after he had the 1st down) knocked him out of this game and might knock him out against the Pats. Can't have the QB taking unnecessary hits. Get the **** down!

Playcalling again was baffling. McCarthy needs to hire a real O coordinator who can call the plays and he can focus on rallying the team and game clock management, etc. He suffers in those aspects because he's so focused on trying to call th eplays that he either misses the chance at possible challenges or bungles up the clock management. You don't go for it all on 4th and 1 with the backup in there. Come on. Had a good minute left in the game and 2 timeouts and was on the 32 freakin yard line. Just move the freakin sticks. The Flynn INT in the red zone was awful, but would it have killed Mike to at least call a RUN play there? 1st and goal at the 9 and he's got Flynn airing it out. For gods sake, don't put too much on his plate, he's the backup.

OL/DL got straight up whipped today. That's the main story of the game. They just got flatout beat in the trenches. Pitiful performance by the OL and the DL got gashed for run after run. I swear it was "2nd and 5" every time for Detroit.

Even with Rodgers, they probably don't win @ NE...without him, well, then it's just not worth watching. They still have a chance though. 10-6 could get a wildcard. They must beat NYG and the Bears of course, and then hope for a bit of luck. Would be nice if the Vikings beat the Bears. Pack will need that to AT LEAST have a shot at the division, assuming the Bears go 1-3 or so(definitely possible)

tough loss, but not a season ender. They still control their own destiny...although if they lose vs the Pats(which I see happening) then they'll need some outside help from the Vikes and whoever plays the Bucs/NYG down the stretch

jsa230 · 12-12-2010, 07:51 PM

Is there any chance Rodgers doesnt play next week.

EvilMonkey · 12-12-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Man, Rodgers needs to get down and slide. Those extra 2-3 yards he got

actually, it was an extra 12 yards. Absolutely inexcusable to not slide. My thoughts on today can be summed up with this,

BloodBrother · 12-12-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jsa230

Is there any chance Rodgers doesnt play next week.

Of course. This is his 2nd concussion this year. If he doesn't pass the tests then he won't play

senormysterioso · 12-12-2010, 08:27 PM

I'm pretty sure Rodgers just decided not to slide anymore. He got absolutely screwed on spots this year and also got hit more often than not when he slides.

J-Mike88 · 12-12-2010, 09:19 PM

Because Tampa Bay owns the tiebreakers over us (and they have home games against these schitty Lions and the even schitter Seahawks next, and will go to 10-5 then), we have to win the division now, and because we lost a KEY DIVISIONAL game today, our only hope is for the Bears to lose to Minnesota and us. That's it. We 100% need the Vikings to beat the Bears, and us to beat the Giants and Bears.

We absolutely pissed in our own bed and deserve this consequence because we lost so many games we had in our grasp, from the Redskins to Bears to Dolphins. We should have won those games. And Atlanta.

If you can't beat teams like that, forget the playoffs. It's a shame to waste some careers like those of Driver and Woodson and Clifton who are all on the way down.

J-Mike88 · 12-12-2010, 10:00 PM

This was a game that should have been a blowout by the time Rodgers got hurt in the 2nd quarter. Here's a recap of our first 4 drives in that first quarter. Thanks to our defense, our offense had a chance to blow them out early if our offense clicked early.

FIRST QUARTER

Tight end Andrew Quarless catches a pass over the middle, spins and tries to fight for a few extra yards but doesn't secure the ball and fumbles. Cornerback Brandon McDonald recovers for the Lions.

On the Packers second possession, Aaron Rodgers drops back on 3rd-and-1 (because we are a weak, finesse OL that can't run for a yard) and is sacked by defensive end Turk McBride. Punt. Two drives, no points on the same team that made Cutler look great last week and made Tom Brady look like.... Tom Brady, on Thanksgiving.

On the Packers third possession, a 2nd down draw to Brandon Jackson goes nowhere when he is swallowed up by Lions rookie defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, whom nobody blocked. Rodgers misfires on third-and-long with four wideouts. Punt again, 3 drives, nothing to show.

On the Packs next possession, on second down, receiver Greg Jennings gets deep behind cornerback Amari Spivey. Jennings has 2 steps on Spivey and Rodgers delivers a perfect pass.
Horrifically, the ball bounces off Jennings' hands, then off his helmet and right into the hands of Spivey, who is trailing the play. Instead of giving up a touchdown, Spivey has a gift-wrapped interception, courtesy of Jennings.

Easy points left on the field, and a game that could have easily been 21-0, was 0-0.

J-Mike88 · 12-12-2010, 10:59 PM

Now this is also more bullschit.
Look, we all hate the Vikings.... and I hate that Metrodome because that place pipes in fake loud noise, and that roof holds the noise in... I've seen the Packers go 0-5 in there in person, will never go again.

But here we are, actually rooting hard for the Vikings in their next 2 games, which are their final home games. Now they don't need the games because amazingly they're out of it, so they're not putting up much of a fuss... but these 2 games, against the GIANTS and the BEARS are possibly not even going to be played in the Metrodome and already of course the Giants game isn't even a home game now for the Vikings.

So about the only time ever I root for the Vikings and root for that damn noise to be pumped up, they don't even get to play there.

They better get that roof fixed before next Monday night when the Bears play there. That game is a 100% must-win for the Vikings if we want to make the playoffs. How sad it is that we no longer control our own destiny because of a pathetic loss to the Motor City Kittens.

CJSchneider · 12-12-2010, 11:07 PM

I'd say you guys just went to threat level orange.

Me Likey Rookies · 12-13-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Because Tampa Bay owns the tiebreakers over us (and they have home games against these schitty Lions and the even schitter Seahawks next, and will go to 10-5 then), we have to win the division now, and because we lost a KEY DIVISIONAL game today, our only hope is for the Bears to lose to Minnesota and us. That's it. We 100% need the Vikings to beat the Bears, and us to beat the Giants and Bears.

I just had a scenario on the playoff simulator where bucs, pack, giants all went 10-6 and the packers got in as the 6th seed. What tiebreaker do we have?

bearsfan_51 · 12-13-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

Even with this loss being as discouraging as it is, I still believe we end up making the playoffs if Rodgers starts the remainder of our games.

Certainly possible, but your chances at the division just got real bleak unless we lose to the Vikings next week.

RockJock07 · 12-13-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Of course. This is his 2nd concussion this year. If he doesn't pass the tests then he won't play

He's not going to play. For the most part any player who has had a concussion has sat the next week. Rodgers got that concussion in Washington but he played which seemed odd but how many players this year have come back the next week after suffering a concussion?

Being his 2nd this year personally for his health I'd rather have him sit and be fully ready for the Giants and Bears. Who knows he could miss more then just the New England game.

Stafford4Prez · 12-13-2010, 10:09 AM

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J-Mike88 · 12-13-2010, 12:03 PM

I'm watching McCarthy's press conference now LIVE on Packers.com

Notes

-Cullen Jenkins probably out for at least 2 more games (NE & NYG)
-Zombo probably out this week, our 6th LB out
-Colledge possibly could go in New England
-QB Graham Harrell is a viable option to suit up Sunday
-Probably won't know til Thursday if Rodgers has a chance to play

Very short presser.... McCarthy looks EXHAUSTED.

cvv84 · 12-13-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

McCarthy looks EXHAUSTED.

Probably from searching for the rest of his gameplan.

umphrey · 12-13-2010, 05:15 PM

It sucks pretty badly but playing New England possibly without Rodgers, then the Giants and Bears, I'm starting to think more about the draft than playoffs...

We would need to win out to have a chance and going 2-1 the only way we could get in would mean the Bears losing every game, I think.