2010 Heisman - Page 3

keylime_5 · 12-11-2010, 08:57 PM

My only point really is that the double standard is what's wrong, not just voting for Newton. There will be more than a few guys who don't go to the baseball HOF despite them not technically having any real evidence that they used steroids.

Chucky · 12-11-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

My only point really is that the double standard is what's wrong, not just voting for Newton. There will be more than a few guys who don't go to the baseball HOF despite them not technically having any real evidence that they used steroids.

I mean....most of that major guys there realy is evidence. Can't think of a guy who isn't gonna make it in and doesnt have enough proof against them.

niel89 · 12-11-2010, 09:09 PM

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It's waaaaay too fishy for him to not have anything against him. But, as long as he's eligible and the NCAA says he is, he deserved the Heisman.

I agree. The NCAA has a lot more to lose if they declare him ineligible. I'm fine that he got the Heisman because he earned it on the field, but I'm not sure if he is going to keep it long term.

Also, I chuckled when Cam said something like "I thank my mom and dad for the things they do that no one ever sees."

Giantsfan1080 · 12-11-2010, 09:09 PM

Did anyone else catch it when Cam said his parents were doing things in the background that nobody else realized to help him or something very similar to that?

Giantsfan1080 · 12-11-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by niel89

I agree. The NCAA has a lot more to lose if they declare him ineligible. I'm fine that he got the Heisman because he earned it on the field, but I'm not sure if he is going to keep it long term.

Also, I chuckled when Cam said something like "I thank my mom and dad for the things they do that no one ever sees."

Haha you beat me by a couple of seconds. I'm glad someone else noticed though, I couldn't believe he said that regardless of what his intentions were.

niel89 · 12-11-2010, 09:21 PM

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Haha you beat me by a couple of seconds. I'm glad someone else noticed though, I couldn't believe he said that regardless of what his intentions were.

He needs to watch his words a little more up there. He should have just cried like Ingram.

P-L · 12-12-2010, 10:36 AM

Anyone else notice that Owen Marecic got THREE first place votes?

critesy · 12-12-2010, 11:33 AM

lol 7% of voters voted for cam, just not #1... wtf?!

RealityCheck · 12-12-2010, 01:59 PM

Props to Newton, though I don't agree with it.

He deserved for what he's done on the field, but I wouldn't have included him on my ballot due to all the scam investigations and all.

For that, Luck, Moore, James, CK and Denard are more deserving.

iowatreat54 · 12-12-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by critesy

lol 7% of voters voted for cam, just not #1... wtf?!

So you're saying every voter (or every voter that had him on their ballot) should have voted Cam #1?

Cam had a great year, but it's not like he deserved to be the first unanimous Heisman winner ever.

Chucky · 12-12-2010, 02:40 PM

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So you're saying every voter (or every voter that had him on their ballot) should have voted Cam #1?

Cam had a great year, but it's not like he deserved to be the first unanimous Heisman winner ever.

I think hes saying that if someone overlooked the "allegations" against Newton enough to put him on his ballot then it is absurd to not have him #1 as just based on stuff on the field it wasnt even close

niel89 · 12-12-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by P-L

Anyone else notice that Owen Marecic got THREE first place votes?

People just know how awesome he is.

iowatreat54 · 12-12-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chucky

I think hes saying that if someone overlooked the "allegations" against Newton enough to put him on his ballot then it is absurd to not have him #1 as just based on stuff on the field it wasnt even close

So if Newton was on a ballot, he should have been #1 is what your saying? Or for all intents and purposes, he should have been the first unanimous Heisman winner ever? (if you discount people who just left him off for non-football reasons)

critesy · 12-12-2010, 08:39 PM

what is yes.

niel89 · 12-12-2010, 08:48 PM

I though Newton was the clear cut #1. If you are fine with the allegations, then he should easily be #1 on the ballot. If he is on your ballot, the only logical place is at the top. However, not all voters are all that logical.

SeanTaylorRIP · 12-12-2010, 09:51 PM

The thing I find funny are the voters who left him off because the whole integrity part of the Heisman yet they had James as #2 on their ballot. The same guy who gut arrested for hitting his girlfriend before the season. Funny enough the only thing Cam has been convicted of is the laptop thing 3 years ago. If voters wanted to get so technical and argue the character thing than James and Mallett shouldn't have been on any ballots as well as I don't think an arrest record lives up to the "integrity of the award."

Chucky · 12-12-2010, 09:56 PM

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So if Newton was on a ballot, he should have been #1 is what your saying? Or for all intents and purposes, he should have been the first unanimous Heisman winner ever? (if you discount people who just left him off for non-football reasons)

Yes, just based on on-field play I don't see how anyone could be put ahead of Newton. If that makes him the first unanimous Heisman winner ever than sure...so be it. He had one of the best college football seasons of all time(so far). Of course there will always be voters with a different motive and those who like to stand out.

wogitalia · 12-13-2010, 12:38 AM

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Ya....those 105 voters were morons....its called being innocent until proven guilty. There is clearly not enough evidence to prove that Cam Newton did anything wrong. If there was he wouldn't have been eligible for the award and couldn't have been put down on any ballots.

How about Reggie? I think that double standard is actually worse than the baseball comparison. Reggie was punished because his parents benefited yet Cam wasn't. That double standard stinks and really with all the investigations going on right now it is only a matter of time before he is handing it back if even 10% of the rumours are truthful.

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So if Newton was on a ballot, he should have been #1 is what your saying? Or for all intents and purposes, he should have been the first unanimous Heisman winner ever? (if you discount people who just left him off for non-football reasons)

That is correct and he shouldn't be the first unanimous decision because it should have happened before. Like everything there is a lot of politics involved in the whole process. If you have no ethical objection to Cam Newton then he should get the 1 vote from you because he was on a clearly higher level than anyone else that plays a position that is "eligible" for the Heisman.

Throughout the years there are plenty of other guys that should have been in the same situation.