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Old 03-23-2007, 07:27 PM    (permalink
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According to the value chart, a trade down in the first, and an extra third, has the value of a high second. I could, hypothetically, see a team doing this to obtain Turner's rights to lock him up long term, rather than compete with a myriad of teams next year in a bidding war. Besides, Green Bay needs a strong runner this year, not next year. This year's draft doesn't look very strong for second round backs, if that's what GB is targeting.
I dunno what chart you're using but I have a late 1st.

Either way, runningbacks are not like quarterbacks. Nobody is that concerned with "locking up his rights" when you can just sign somebody else or draft another guy in the 3rd or 4th round that could likely get you the same type of production.

GM's regard most runningbacks like they do washcloths nowadays.

I realize that you're a Chargers fan and you want to get as much as you can, I just don't see it happening.

I would say a mid 2nd is possible (or the swapping of the two 1sts). Anything more than that is stupid. But...it only takes one stupid GM (see Houston) so you are correct in saying that it potentially could happen.
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Nobody's gonna give you anything more than a round 2 pick for a RB that will be a FA in a year anyway. Nobody is that dumb. You'll be lucky to even get a 3rd for him. Shaun Alexander didn't go for a 2nd, what makes you think Turner will with only 1 year left on his contract? Not happening.
It's sort of a take it or leave it situation. AJ isn't surrendering Turner for peanuts, otherwise he wouldn't have tendered him for a 1st and a 3rd.
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It's sort of a take it or leave it situation. AJ isn't surrendering Turner for peanuts, otherwise he wouldn't have tendered him for a 1st and a 3rd.
I know, but I think if someone offered him a late 2nd on draft day, he'd be hard pressed to refuse it. He knows he can't afford to resign Turner at the end of the year, so he might as well get something out of it rather than nothing.

He could technically in turn use that pick to get a Kenny Irons type of RB and not miss a beat.
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I know, but I think if someone offered him a late 2nd on draft day, he'd be hard pressed to refuse it. He knows he can't afford to resign Turner at the end of the year, so he might as well get something out of it rather than nothing.

He could technically in turn use that pick to get a Kenny Irons type of RB and not miss a beat.
Yeah, it's better to get something than to just see him walk
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There's been some talk that the Chargers have lowered their asking price to a 2nd rounder (a swapping of 1st rounder, like guru suggested, would also be possible I'm betting). If this is the case, I think Green Bay needs to make the deal.

Unless they deal up, something I don't believe Thompson has ever done in the 1st round, they probably aren't going to land either Lynch or Peterson. This leaves them with a massive hole at runningback, and Turner would probably be a solid fit in Green Bay.
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I dunno what chart you're using but I have a late 1st.

Either way, runningbacks are not like quarterbacks. Nobody is that concerned with "locking up his rights" when you can just sign somebody else or draft another guy in the 3rd or 4th round that could likely get you the same type of production.

GM's regard most runningbacks like they do washcloths nowadays.

I realize that you're a Chargers fan and you want to get as much as you can, I just don't see it happening.

I would say a mid 2nd is possible (or the swapping of the two 1sts). Anything more than that is stupid. But...it only takes one stupid GM (see Houston) so you are correct in saying that it potentially could happen.

It should all be the same chart -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2410670

The difference in #16 and #30, plus #80, is 570, which puts you right between the #33 and #34 picks in the second round. If it's just a swap of thirds like some have said, that puts the value further down in the second round. So you can decide for yourself if Turner is worth a 2nd.

It's not too bad a deal for the Packers, considering they still have a first, a second, and just filled their RB need. In this draft, I think Turner is worth it; color me biased, but I think Turner at 5'10'', 235 pounds with speed and a guady career YPC is better than Michael Bush, Kenny Irons, Brandon Jackson, Antonio Pittman or whoever else.
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There's been some talk that the Chargers have lowered their asking price to a 2nd rounder (a swapping of 1st rounder, like guru suggested, would also be possible I'm betting). If this is the case, I think Green Bay needs to make the deal.

Unless they deal up, something I don't believe Thompson has ever done in the 1st round, they probably aren't going to land either Lynch or Peterson. This leaves them with a massive hole at runningback, and Turner would probably be a solid fit in Green Bay.
That would be their best option
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id swap 1st's and give a 3rd for him
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id swap 1st's and give a 3rd for him
But if you look at the trade value chart swapping 1st should be enough
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But if you look at the trade value chart swapping 1st should be enough
i think AJ Smith will be reluctant to deal for that
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i think AJ Smith will be reluctant to deal for that
Well then next offseason he can watch Turner walk away for nothing
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I'd take Turner over all the backs this year other than Peterson and Lynch. I don't see the switch 1st and give up a 3rd as realistic because his value is more of a mid second. The best I can see them getting is switching 1st and 3rd with someone.
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Where do you get anywhere from there that they would give their first for him?

Don't get me wrong, as a Bears fan I would **** my pants if the Packers were stupid enough to give up a 1st for Turner, but I think that's wishful thinking.
You would regret that **** my friend. Turner is a beast, I think any team would hate to see him enter their division. I guarantee that if Turner is a starter this coming year, he has a bigger impact than any rookie RB other than maybe AD.
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There's been some talk that the Chargers have lowered their asking price to a 2nd rounder (a swapping of 1st rounder, like guru suggested, would also be possible I'm betting). If this is the case, I think Green Bay needs to make the deal.
This was also mentioned on Sirius Thursday. They said the rumor was that the Chargers would accept a 2nd rounder.
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I'd take Turner over all the backs this year other than Peterson and Lynch. I don't see the switch 1st and give up a 3rd as realistic because his value is more of a mid second. The best I can see them getting is switching 1st and 3rd with someone.
I agree that Turner is better than everyone in this draft except for the top 2
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wait didn't san diego say they wanted at least a first for him, cuz he's probably worth that
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Pretty cool, I think Michael Turner is a very talented player.
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wait didn't san diego say they wanted at least a first for him, cuz he's probably worth that
He's not worth a 1st! Plus nobody would give up a 1st, they would rather wait and see if he makes it to free agency next year
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I'm just saying because all I saw was big runs, probably because I'm on the east coast, but I think he has potential, and Lamont Jordan is absolutely terrible, there is no way he's that bad
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Lamont Jordan was pretty good as a backup. That is a fair comparison.
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I'm just saying because all I saw was big runs, probably because I'm on the east coast, but I think he has potential, and Lamont Jordan is absolutely terrible, there is no way he's that bad
Lamont Jordan was a great backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets and was constantly involved in trade rumors. There were even people advocating cutting or forcing retirement on Curtis Martin so that they wouldn't lose Jordan.

It's easily to have a high YPC when you're only running the ball 7-8 times per game.

I personally think Turner will be a good starting runningback (and don't think Jordan is terrible either) but to assume that just because he's done well as a backup to the best runningback in the league means that he'll do as well elsewhere is unfounded.

And how old are you? Do you not remember Jordan pre-Raiders?
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I dont wanna see him on such a boring team like green bay.. i'd rather see him on a team like Tennessee or sumn but i guess noone else needs an RB
What do u mean by Green Bay being a boring team? What exactly makes an NFL team boring? Just Curious.
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Lamont Jordan was a great backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets and was constantly involved in trade rumors. There were even people advocating cutting or forcing retirement on Curtis Martin so that they wouldn't lose Jordan.

It's easily to have a high YPC when you're only running the ball 7-8 times per game.

I personally think Turner will be a good starting runningback (and don't think Jordan is terrible either) but to assume that just because he's done well as a backup to the best runningback in the league means that he'll do as well elsewhere is unfounded.

And how old are you? Do you not remember Jordan pre-Raiders?
That's kinda a low blow if somebody's on here and they don't remember Jordan as a Jet
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What do u mean by Green Bay being a boring team? What exactly makes an NFL team boring? Just Curious.
Maybe he doesn't like cheese.
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