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Old 03-25-2007, 06:35 AM    (permalink
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Tony Gonzalez is the best receiving TE in the history of the game. Not overrated.

And to prove that he is, in fact, the best receiving TE in the history of the game...

Total Rank (Average Rank) in 12 statistical categories, both career totals and averages (per game and per season) (This is all before last season, however).

1. Tony Gonzalez - 46 (3.83)
2. Kellen Winslow - 72.5 (6.04)
3. Shannon Sharpe - 76 (6.33)
4. Antonio Gates - 83 (6.92)
5. Keith Jackson - 97.5 (8.13)
6. Ozzie Newsome - 107 (8.92)
7. Ben Coates - 107.5 (8.96)
8. Todd Christensen - 113 (9.42)
9T. Dave Casper - 126 (10.5)
9T. Jeremy Shockey - 126 (10.5)
11. Alge Crumpler - 128 (10.66)
12. John Mackey - 134 (11.17)
13. Mark Bavaro - 135 (11.25)
14. Mike Ditka - 138 (11.50)
15. Jason Witten - 138.5 (11.54)
16. Jackie Smith - 142 (11.83)
17. Todd Heap - 154 (12.83)
18. Brent Jones - 175 (14.58)
19. Frank Wycheck - 181 (15.08)

And the raw data:

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		Years	Games	G/Y	Yards	Yds/Yr	Yds/G	Yds/Rec	Rec	Rec/Yr	Rec/G	TDs	TDs/Yr	TDs/G	TD:Rec
Tony Gonzalez	9	143	15.888	7810	867.8	54.6	12.052	648	72	4.5	56	6.2	0.39	8.60%
														
Antonio Gates	3	45	15	2454	818	54.5	12.6	194	64.7	4.3	25	8.3	0.56	12.89%
Jeremy Shockey	4	54	13.5	2986	746.5	55.29	12.04	248	62	4.6	17	4.25	0.315	6.85%
Alge Crumpler	5	78	15.6	2988	597.6	38.3	13.7	218	43.6	2.795	22	4.4	0.282	10.09%
Todd Heap	5	66	13.2	2893	578.6	43.8	11.9	243	48.6	3.7	20	4	0.303	8.23%
Jason Witten	3	47	15.7	2084	694.7	44.3	11.09	188	62.7	4	13	4.33	0.276	6.91%
														
Shannon Sharpe	14	203	14.5	10060	718.6	49.6	12.3	815	58.2	4.01	62	4.429	0.305	7.60%
Kellen Winslow	9	109	12.111	6741	749	61.8	12.46	541	60.1	5	45	5	0.41	8.30%
Ozzie Newsome	13	198	15.231	7980	613.8	40.3	12.054	662	50.9	3.343	47	3.61	0.24	7.10%
Mike Ditka	12	158	15.047	5812	484.3	36.7	13.6	427	35.6	2.7	43	3.58	0.272	10.07%
John Mackey	10	139	15.886	5236	523.6	37.67	15.8	331	33.1	2.4	38	3.8	0.273	11.48%
Dave Casper	11	147	13.364	5216	474.2	35.5	13.8	378	34.4	2.6	52	4.7	0.35	13.76%
Jackie Smith	16	210	15	7918	494.9	37.7	16.5	480	30	2.3	40	2.5	0.19	8.33%
Ben Coates	10	150	15	5555	555.5	37	11.13	499	49.9	3.327	50	5	0.33	10.02%
Todd Christ.	10	137	13.7	5872	587.2	42.9	12.7	461	46.1	3.365	41	4.1	0.299	8.89%
Mark Bavaro	9	126	14	4733	525.9	37.6	13.5	351	39	2.786	39	4.33	0.309	11.11%
Brent Jones	11	143	13	5195	472.3	36.3	12.458	417	37.9	2.9	33	3	0.23	7.91%
Frank Wycheck	11	155	14.091	5126	466	33.1	10.2	505	45.9	3.258	28	2.54	0.18	5.54%
Keith Jackson	9	129	14.333	5283	587	41	11.98	441	49	3.419	49	5.4	0.38	11.11%
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		G/Y	Yards	Yds/Yr	Yds/G	Yds/Rec	Rec	Rec/Yr	Rec/G	TDs	TDs/Yr	TDs/G	TD:Rec	Points	Av. Rank
Tony Gonzalez	1	4	1	3	13	3	1	3	2	2	3	10	46	3.8
														
Antonio Gates	8	18	2	4	8	18	2	4	15	1	1	2	83	6.916
Jeremy Shockey	15	16	4	2	14	15	4	2	18	11	7	18	126	10.5
Alge Crumpler	4	15	8	11	4	17	13	14	16	8	12	6	128	10.666
Todd Heap	17	17	11	7	16	16	10	7	17	13	10	13	154	12.833
Jason Witten	3	19	6	6	18	19	3	6	19	9.5	13	17	138.5	11.542
														
Shannon Sharpe	10	1	5	5	11	1	6	5	1	7	9	15	76	6.333
Kellen Winslow	19	5	3	1	9	4	5	1	7	4.5	2	12	72.5	6.04
Ozzie Newsome	5	2	7	9	12	2	7	10	6	15	16	16	107	8.917
Mike Ditka	6	7	16	16	5	10	16	16	8	16	15	7	138	11.5
John Mackey	2	10	14	13	2	14	18	18	12	14	14	3	134	11.166
Dave Casper	16	11	17	18	3	12	17	17	3	6	5	1	126	10.5
Jackie Smith	8	3	15	12	1	7	19	19	10	19	18	11	142	11.83
Ben Coates	8	8	12	15	17	6	8	11	4	4.5	6	8	107.5	8.958
Todd Christ.	14	6	9	8	7	8	11	9	9	12	11	9	113	9.417
Mark Bavaro	13	14	13	14	6	13	14	15	11	9.5	8	4.5	135	11.25
Brent Jones	18	12	18	17	10	11	15	13	13	17	17	14	175	14.58
Frank Wycheck	12	13	19	19	19	5	12	12	14	18	19	19	181	15.08
Keith Jackson	11	9	10	10	15	9	9	8	5	3	4	4.5	97.5	8.125
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Old 03-25-2007, 08:44 AM    (permalink
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You lost me at Tony Gonzalez is he the best TE any more no but he is still top 3 and a underrated blocker.
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DeAngelo Hall is easily the most overrated player in the league, you have to put him on there. And it is funny how Romo is overrated after playing just 10 games, and how Roy Williams is overrated after having a bad 5 game stretch. HMMM.....

Oh and there are no eagles up there, how fitting.
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QB- Michael Vick
RB- Edgerrin James
FB- Mike Alstott

WR- Terrell Owens
WR- Randy Moss

TE- Alge Crumpler

no offensive lineman are overated imo

DE- Dwight Freeney
DT- Shaun Rogers
DT- Kris Jenkins
DE- Patrick Kerney

LOLB-Mike Vrabel
MLB- Jeremiah Trotter
ROLB- Keith Brooking

CB- Ty Law
SS- Roy Williams
FS- Troy Polamalu
CB- Nate Clements

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How is DeAngelo Hall not overrated for you guys? Are you serious? He is the most overrated player in the NFL.
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[quote=Eagles own the NFC East;248074]who do you guys think is the most overated at each position?

QB- Tony RoHOMO

HAHA funny you put that...every year since he has been in the league i change his name in madden to **** just for kicks loll ya im easily amused you couls say
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Name some MLBs better than Lewis. You might get 2 or 3. To me, that makes him one of the best MLBs in the game. He's a great leader and the heart and soul of the league's best defence.
BF51 specifically addressed the issue of Lewis being one of the better middle linebackers in the game right now. The reason for that is because, well, there really aren't very many good middle linebackers right now in the NFL.

Ray Lewis is nowhere near the player he was in 2003, when he won his last DPOTY award, and isn't as good as the media would lead you to believe. His athleticism is waning, and he continues to struggle in taking on blocks, which is why he basically begged the Ravens FO to draft Ngata last year. His biggest assets right now are his instincts and experience.
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You lost me at Tony Gonzalez is he the best TE any more no but he is still top 3 and a underrated blocker.
I completely agree. His receiving skills are waning, but he's one of the best blockers of the "receiving" tight ends (you know, the guys who are big wide receivers who line up next to the offensive tackles). You're also correct that his blocking skills have gone virtually unnoticed throughout his entire career.
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OT- Walter Jones
OG- Larry Allen
C- Matt Birk
OG- Will Shields
OT- Flozell Adams

All those guys made the pro bowl when they played nowhere near pro bowl level. OL can definitely be overrated.
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Bash Merriman all you want, there is no denying that he brings it on the field. 4 FF, 1 pick, 17 sacks in 12 games to lead the league? Not overrated.

Roy Williams OTOH...
My thoughts exactly. How could you possibly say Merriman is overrated? I can understand if you don't like him, with 27 sacks and 6 forced fumbled in only 27 games played, and even less games started. He averages a sack a game. Explain to me how he is overrated.
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I agree with draftguru if he tears it up like last year roid free then he should rightfully so be considered a top D player.
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Julius Peppers tested positive for an illegal performance enhancing substance as well, I don't see him on the list.
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Peppers tested positive for phent ermine, Merriman tested positive for steroids.
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Ray Lewis is overrated right here right now, at this stage of his career.

But the most overrated LB in football is Brian Urlacher.

I think these guys are the most overrated players in football

SS - Roy Williams
LB - Brian Urlacher
DE - Dwight Freeney
QB - Tony Romo
WR - Plaxico Burress

I think that Jay Cutler is slowly becoming overrated on this board, right here right now. Don't get me wrong, I liked him the best of that qb bunch myself, but people are crowning him far too early.
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who do you guys think is the most overated at each position?

QB- Tony RoHOMO
RB- Shaun Alexander
FB- Mike Alstott

WR- Santana Moss
WR- Randy Moss

TE- Tony Gonzalez
no offensive lineman are overated imo

DE- Dwight Freeney
DT- Anthony McFarland
DT- Warren Sapp
DE- Osi

LOLB-Shawn Merriman
MLB- Ray Lewis
ROLB- Cato June

CB- Ty Law
SS- Roy Williams
FS- ?????
CB- Charles Woodson

who would you guys put?
You lost your credibility as soon as you post something as childish as "Tony RoHOMO"

what else is interesting is that there are 2 Cowboy players and no Eagles players. Not biased at all are we?
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Peppers tested positive for phent ermine, Merriman tested positive for steroids.
Yes, an illegal stimulant, or performance enhancing drug.

edit: Nonetheless, I respect the doubt you have, and I will let you hold off judgement until next year when you are SURE he is clean. I predict 19 sacks if he is injury free.
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You lost your credibility as soon as you post something as childish as "Tony RoHOMO"

what else is interesting is that there are 2 Cowboy players and no Eagles players. Not biased at all are we?
Well Roy Williams is overrated for sure... no way he deserved the pro bowl the way he played, couldn't cover at all last season. Tony Romo is a toss up, but I'd consider him overrated as well, he had a great recieving core, a great TE in Witten, and an awesome RB duo.
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Nobody really overrates him... He might be overhyped coming into each season because everybody still thinks he is the comeback king, but it's not like everybody has him as a top 5 QB anymore.
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Ray Lewis is overrated right here right now, at this stage of his career.

But the most overrated LB in football is Brian Urlacher.

I think these guys are the most overrated players in football

SS - Roy Williams
LB - Brian Urlacher
DE - Dwight Freeney
QB - Tony Romo
WR - Plaxico Burress

I think that Jay Cutler is slowly becoming overrated on this board, right here right now. Don't get me wrong, I liked him the best of that qb bunch myself, but people are crowning him far too early.
I would figure that someone with your football intellect would be able to understand Urlacher's game a little bit better.

Is he the best at finding a hole and plugging it? No. Although he's not nearly as bad as you've made him out to be.

He is, however, the absolute best linebacker side-to-side that there is in the NFL without question. He's also the best linebacker in coverage in the NFL. He does what he's asked to do in this defense and he does it very well. Often the run up the middle deficiencies that our defense had last year had more to do with weak SS play than anything else.

Just because he's not the prototypical linebacker that you want him to do be doesn't make him overrated. He's the best player on what is at least a top 3 defense in the NFL and is without question the best player at his position.
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Nobody really overrates him... He might be overhyped coming into each season because everybody still thinks he is the comeback king, but it's not like everybody has him as a top 5 QB anymore.
A lot of Packers fans do.
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A lot of Packers fans do.
Well other than Packer fans you don't see anyone else overrating him. They consider him God pretty much.
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I would figure that someone with your football intellect would be able to understand Urlacher's game a little bit better.

Is he the best at finding a hole and plugging it? No. Although he's not nearly as bad as you've made him out to be.

He is, however, the absolute best linebacker side-to-side that there is in the NFL without question. He's also the best linebacker in coverage in the NFL. He does what he's asked to do in this defense and he does it very well. Often the run up the middle deficiencies that our defense had last year had more to do with weak SS play than anything else.

Just because he's not the prototypical linebacker that you want him to do be doesn't make him overrated. He's the best player on what is at least a top 3 defense in the NFL and is without question the best player at his position.
Ive stated before that he's the perfect Tampa 2 ILB, theres no question about that.

My problem is when people compare him to other greats in the history of the game. They gas him up way too much. For him to be in that discussion, he needs to be a better run stopper. At the end of the day, a MIKE's job is to stop the run, and Urlacher isn't that great at it. He's upper tier, but I can probably name you 5 MIKEs in the NFL currently that are better than him at that. And like you said, the MIKEs in the NFL are rather weak nowadays.

Is he the best MIKE in the NFL? Honestly, I rather have Zach Thomas, but he's at the very least the 2nd best, right now. I won't debate that.

But remember this, Urlacher will fall off harder at the end of his career than Lewis did. He continuously takes bad angles, and isn't the smartest ILB either. When he loses his athleticism, he will become a below average MIKE, because he doesn't have the intangibles to fall back on.

I think he's overrated not compared to other NFL players, but overrated in the context of history. He's too high on most people's best MIKEs list for the most part.
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