New York Giants Discussion - Page 4

bigbluedefense · 02-23-2011, 07:40 AM

Let's be honest, he was never a realistic option.

AJ Hawk is more realistic than him. Hawk actually had a good year too, he intrigues me a little.

bigbluedefense · 02-23-2011, 08:55 AM

This is so awesome. Slow day at work, and I'm breaking down Giants preseason games.

If you guys want to know anything about any player in particular, let me know. Keep in mind I can't realistically tell you about DBs from the TV angle.

DOMINATEtheline · 02-24-2011, 08:09 AM

Giantsnation,

The next phase in the pre-draft process has arrived! Enjoy the combine, and lets hope we can set up our pre-draft boards with confidence after this phase.

bigbluedefense · 02-24-2011, 09:34 AM

I don't have enough patience to sit and watch all the drills. I'm just gonna focus on the linebackers.

scottyboy · 02-24-2011, 01:58 PM

so if the raiders let zach miller hit the open market, how would you guys feel if we brought him in? i love me some zach miller

bigbluedefense · 02-24-2011, 01:59 PM

Love Zach Miller. It all depends on if we have a cap or not and how much he'll cost.

As much as I like the guy, there might be cheaper options in the draft, so it really depends on the cap for me personally.

Jughead10 · 02-24-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Love Zach Miller. It all depends on if we have a cap or not and how much he'll cost.

As much as I like the guy, there might be cheaper options in the draft, so it really depends on the cap for me personally.

You think he'd cost a lot? I've also always thought he could be a somewhat low cost huge reward signing. He puts up decent production while playing with a collection of the absolute worst QBs known to man over the past 4 years.

bigbluedefense · 02-24-2011, 02:09 PM

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You think he'd cost a lot? I've also always thought he could be a somewhat low cost huge reward signing. He puts up decent production while playing with a collection of the absolute worst QBs known to man over the past 4 years.

You don't have to tell me, I LOVE Zach Miller. But FAs are always more expensive than they should be, that's the problem.

And I can see teams overspending for him in a relatively weak TE class.

Not to mention I'm less inclined to spend a good chunk of change on a player who won't be used that much in our offense. Again, it all comes down to the CBA for me, if there's no cap, I'm all for it.

But if there is a cap, I'm still for it, but only for the right price. At the end of the day, Miller isn't a seam stretcher type like the Finleys of the world.

NY+Giants=NYG · 02-24-2011, 04:45 PM

Shockey took and passed his physical with the Phins.. I wonder if Plax and him are coordinating being down in the M.I.A.

Giantsfan1080 · 02-24-2011, 04:47 PM

I think Miller would get a big contract on the open market. Look at what Shiancoe got for crying out loud.

bigbluedefense · 02-24-2011, 06:24 PM

The way the current contracts are going right now (John Henderson 2 years 8 mill?!) there's no way Miller will be worth his contract if there's a salary cap.

We're going to have to save our money and sign our own guys back, and just build through the draft. No need for outside FAs in that kind of market.

Again, if there's no cap then sure, but with a cap, I think we're gonna have to be more frugal.

Seeing that figure for Henderson makes me question if I even want to resign Boss if there's going to be a cap. Boss is so replaceable, I don't want to pay him big bucks with a cap in place.

bigbluedefense · 02-25-2011, 12:37 PM

Coughlin said Center is a position of need.

Sounds like maybe we're going to draft a Center after all?

NY+Giants=NYG · 02-25-2011, 01:58 PM

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Coughlin said Center is a position of need.

Sounds like maybe we're going to draft a Center after all?

Smoke screen perhaps? I hope not, I want us to draft a center! I wanted Mangold, and now i want this Penn state guy. Give me a stud center, who with our OL coach and in our system, would be a sick player for us.

Forenci · 02-25-2011, 03:10 PM

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Smoke screen perhaps? I hope not, I want us to draft a center! I wanted Mangold, and now i want this Penn state guy. Give me a stud center, who with our OL coach and in our system, would be a sick player for us.

Wisniewski isn't a stud center, though. He may be there in the second with our pick though. Basically, I see him more of a Shaun O'Hara type. A guy who will never really dominate but plays pretty well for a long time.

If Mike Pouncey is there in the second it would be interesting. There are A LOT of conflicting reports on him, though. Some people think he's his brother (because they're twins) but really they aren't that similar. He lacks strength at the POA and isn't nearly the prospect his brother is. Probably will be over drafted though.

Giantsfan1080 · 02-25-2011, 03:14 PM

I dont like Pouncey. Stay away please Reese.

scottyboy · 02-25-2011, 03:34 PM

pouncey would be fine...at guard. dude can't snap, that's the last thing we need

NY+Giants=NYG · 02-25-2011, 03:39 PM

I think it comes down to the prospect and how he would fit in our given system, with our specific pass protections we install, and our position coach and how well he can work with him. So that adds to whether we draft him or not. He may not be the perfect prospect but added to our system given the components i mentioned above, how does he improve or decline based on that. We have a great system, and good pass protection schemes. On top of that we have a great OL coach, who is still here. So I would weight the prospect and give him a grade, and then take that grade and see how it translates to our team, system, and scheme specifically.

NY+Giants=NYG · 02-26-2011, 10:44 AM

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com...&thread=400171
Possibility kiwi wont play again

Giantsfan1080 · 02-26-2011, 04:38 PM

DE it is then.

Giantsfan1080 · 02-26-2011, 04:55 PM

Reese said today that Kiwi is medically cleared to play.

BaLLiN · 02-26-2011, 05:09 PM

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Reese said today that Kiwi is medically cleared to play.

nice, can we please tag and then trade then? this draft isnt amazing, but we just have to fill a few holes in order to be a playoff caliber team. Do you think Kiwi could fetch a 1st because of a weaker class and then have a pick next year based on incentives? I'm thinking we get a 1 and a baseline 4, then with the possibility to get a 3 in next years draft.

Nebula · 02-26-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

This is so awesome. Slow day at work, and I'm breaking down Giants preseason games.

If you guys want to know anything about any player in particular, let me know. Keep in mind I can't realistically tell you about DBs from the TV angle.

Ramses Barden?

Giantsfan1080 · 02-26-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

nice, can we please tag and then trade then? this draft isnt amazing, but we just have to fill a few holes in order to be a playoff caliber team. Do you think Kiwi could fetch a 1st because of a weaker class and then have a pick next year based on incentives? I'm thinking we get a 1 and a baseline 4, then with the possibility to get a 3 in next years draft.

D-Line is the deepest part of this draft and nobody in their right mind will give us a first for an oft injured Kiwi.

LTgiants · 02-26-2011, 06:27 PM

It only takes a few hrs to get clearance for Kiwi lol

Bostonblows91 · 02-27-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

nice, can we please tag and then trade then? this draft isnt amazing, but we just have to fill a few holes in order to be a playoff caliber team. Do you think Kiwi could fetch a 1st because of a weaker class and then have a pick next year based on incentives? I'm thinking we get a 1 and a baseline 4, then with the possibility to get a 3 in next years draft.

something like this would never happen, they will either sign him or get a comp pick next year for letting him walk (Provided the CBA works the same)