Carolina at #1 - Page 3

Babylon · 03-03-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the natural

Clausen had better rookie numbers than John Elway did.

Really?

Elway, 47.5% 151ypg, 7-14 Td-Int (1-2 ratio) Broncos 9-7

Clausen, 52.5% 119ypg 3-9 Td-int (1-3 ratio) Panthers 2-14

Iamcanadian · 03-03-2011, 03:38 PM

Poll is weak without Gabbert's name on it. He is still very much in the running.

San Diego Chicken · 03-03-2011, 03:51 PM

Similar situation Miami was in a few years ago. No clear cut #1 player, so they went with Jake Long, not the flashiest pick but a relatively safe one that would be a stalwart for a long time. Some people say they should have picked Ryan instead, but Miami's been a pretty good team without Ryan. The closest thing to that type of a pick this year is Dareus, again not a flashy pick, but a guy you can feel reasonably confident in to help your team immediately.

Babylon · 03-03-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Poll is weak without Gabbert's name on it. He is still very much in the running.

I dont think it will be Gabbert but i agree with you that he should be in the poll.

Gabbert continues to see his stock rise without really doing anything, if the draft were in July he'd probably be a lock for the top spot.

PiedmontPanther · 03-03-2011, 06:49 PM

I think it'll be Dareus or Gabbert.

If Gabbert looks like a franchise QB and has a good pro day,they'll jump on that.If not they'll go Dareus he's a little safer pick IMO.

They weigh character VERY high here.

tenorx · 03-03-2011, 06:51 PM

Robert Quinn, possibly the best player of the draft (at least I see it that way)

MikeTheDudeV2 · 03-03-2011, 06:55 PM

I believe if the poll was given after Combine, Dareus and Fairley's numbers would be flipped.

Thread Killer · 03-03-2011, 07:28 PM

#1 overall pick will be Blaine Gabbert.

Halsey · 03-03-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thread Killer

#1 overall pick will be Blaine Gabbert.

Dude, you just totally killed this thread...

I'd just like to add that it's not the end of the world if the Panthers draft Gabbert and Clausen actually develops into a quality QB. It's not like QBs can't be traded. There's worse problems than having 2 talented QBs.

Roddoliver · 03-03-2011, 07:36 PM

Cam Newton to Carolina, Marcell Dareus to Denver

Timbathia · 03-03-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

Dude, you just totally killed this thread...

I'd just like to add that it's not the end of the world if the Panthers draft Gabbert and Clausen actually develops into a quality QB. It's not like QBs can't be traded. There's worse problems than having 2 talented QBs.

Yes - having two mediocre QBs named Clausen and Gabbert.

Halsey · 03-03-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

Yes - having two mediocre QBs named Clausen and Gabbert.

You didn't think Bradford was worth the #1 pick last year and you don't know how good Gabbert will be in the NFL.

Timbathia · 03-03-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

You didn't think Bradford was worth the #1 pick last year and you don't know how good Gabbert will be in the NFL.

You are right.

I would still take Suh over Bradford, even with hindsight.

Bradford is better than Gabbert.

I have no idea how good Gabbert will be, and sure as **** wouldnt want to spend a #1 pick finding out.

RealityCheck · 03-03-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tenorx

Robert Quinn, possibly the best player of the draft (at least I see it that way)

I second that.

gpngc · 03-03-2011, 09:20 PM

I'm starting to think Bowers.

If they don't re-sign Charles Johnson I'd bet money on Bowers. It's just... Brown and Hardy... how... ugh. You can never have too many pass rushers?

IDK - DT is their greatest need easily. Dareus?

This is too difficult.

nepg · 03-03-2011, 09:35 PM

Depends on what they want between Dareus and Fairley. I wouldn't hate starting Hardy and Brown. Obviously you want more depth than that, but this is a deep DE class. A DT like Dareus or Fairley could completely change that defensive front 4 into a strength.

the natural · 03-03-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Really?

Elway, 47.5% 151ypg, 7-14 Td-Int (1-2 ratio) Broncos 9-7

Clausen, 52.5% 119ypg 3-9 Td-int (1-3 ratio) Panthers 2-14

Elway was the most hyped college QB of all time when he came out, I think. Good thing he didn't get judged on his rookie season.

I think the Panthers want to trade their pick. With so many teams in the 3-10 range on the draft board looking at QBs, I think a deal will work out. If the two QBs end up going 1-2, anyone else in the top 10 has their pick of defensive players. There doesn't seem to be clear cut deliniation between half a dozen of them, at least.

SimonRath · 03-03-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the natural

Elway was the most hyped college QB of all time when he came out, I think. Good thing he didn't get judged on his rookie season.

I think the Panthers want to trade their pick. With so many teams in the 3-10 range on the draft board looking at QBs, I think a deal will work out. If the two QBs end up going 1-2, anyone else in the top 10 has their pick of defensive players. There doesn't seem to be clear cut deliniation between half a dozen of them, at least.

A. duh the Panthers wanna trade this pick.
B. Im pretty sure Peyton Manning threw like 28 ints his rookie season..

the natural · 03-03-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonRath

A. duh the Panthers wanna trade this pick.
B. Im pretty sure Peyton Manning threw like 28 ints his rookie season..

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Stick your head up your porn uploads maggot.

grignotte · 03-04-2011, 09:02 AM

Since Gabbert is not on your list I went with Dareus.

It's funny because last year Suh was by far the best player of the Draft (the only one truly worthy of the #1 pick) and yet was picked after Bradford, who had serious question marks.

And now we face a Draft with no clear cut player worthy of the #1 pick; and again a QB-needy team is picking first. Okay, the Panthers wanted Andrew Luck badly and he decided to stay in school, but Luck or not they still have not shown any faith in Clausen. So why not look for another potential franchise QB ?

Gabbert has question marks, just like every other QB prospect this year. He is not the physical freak that Newton is but he is smart with sneaky athleticism and a good arm. He played in a spread offense, but just like Bradford last year I don't see any reason why he would not be able to learn and succeed in a pro-style offense, because he has the tools, physically and mentally. That's why I think he should be the pick in April.

Newton is more of a project in my opinion, and as a GM you have to be worried about this Icon thing.

Fairley is a beast but also has only one year of production and questions regarding his character. He is not Suh. He would fill a need though.

For Quinn, I wonder if anybody wants to invest so much money in a guy who hasn't played all year.

Dareus and Bowers are the safe picks, and they would fill a need, even though Bowers also has questions about his only season of productivity.

Green and PP might be the BPA's of the Draft, filling needs too. The only knock on them is that they play undervalued positions.

Then you have to take into account that the Panthers already have some nice pieces on their team and key players who were injured last year. I think we will all agree to say they are in a better state than the Rams were last year. If they feel Clausen is not their quarterback of the future (and they have given no indication they believe he is) then they have to pull the trigger on a QB now, because they might not be in position next year to pick Luck and in any case they simply can't adopt this reasoning.

On a side note, I know the Panthers will keep their 4-3 defense, but don't you think this is just temporary until the team gets more personnel suited for the 3-4 ?

SimonRath · 03-04-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the natural

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Stick your head up your porn uploads maggot.

are you like 15 years old?

Iamcanadian · 03-04-2011, 10:30 AM

Right now they are leaning toward Gabbert but it could change after he works out.

Iamcanadian · 03-04-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

Similar situation Miami was in a few years ago. No clear cut #1 player, so they went with Jake Long, not the flashiest pick but a relatively safe one that would be a stalwart for a long time. Some people say they should have picked Ryan instead, but Miami's been a pretty good team without Ryan. The closest thing to that type of a pick this year is Dareus, again not a flashy pick, but a guy you can feel reasonably confident in to help your team immediately.

It was a disaster for Miami when they passed on Ryan. Atlanta will be a serious contender to win the Super Bowl for years while Miami with their All-Pro LT will continue to struggle to make the playoffs.
Miami broke the golden rule, 'always take a possible franchise QB when you need one and are given the opportunity to draft one,' and it could be a decade before they recover for passing on Ryan.
Ditto for this year's draft, the QB's are going a lot higher than people think, ask the 10 teams that passed on Roethlisberger or the 20 teams that passed on Rodgers.

SenorGato · 03-04-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Roddoliver

Cam Newton to Carolina, Marcell Dareus to Denver

I'm going with this. Freak QB who isn't fat? Newton's not the perfect QB prospect but he's easily the most athletic one since Vick and the upside is absolutely ridiculous...I think the Panthers bite.

Roddoliver · 03-04-2011, 11:40 AM

PANTHERS BEAT WRITER: GABBERT NOT IN PLAY

The Charlotte Observer's Darin Gantt does not believe Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert is in play for the No. 1 overall pick.

NFL Network reporters and analysts have pushed Gabbert as Panthers' potential top pick, but the team's top beat writer doesn't think he's in the mix. Gantt believes it will come down to Auburn QB Cam Newton or a defensive player.