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Old 02-14-2011, 02:31 PM    (permalink
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My Browns Big Board
1. Da'Quan Bowers- Great talent that showed huge improvement his senior year and should only get better.
2. Marcell Dareus- Better 3 technique than Fairley.
3. AJ Green- WR that could fill #1 hole.
4. Patrick Peterson- Besides Haden, there's really nobody on the other side.
5. Robert Quinn- I think he will have to show a lot at the combine to show he's still got it.
6. Nick Fairley- Better for a 3-4 but just an absolute beast if he has the motivation.
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I've seen more highlights of Marcell Dareus. He's better than I originally surmised. Also, on Total Access on NFL Network, Warren Sapp mentioned he had him as his #1 DT because he uses his hands well, compared to Fairley who he said relies on brute strength and has to learn how to use his hands. Mayock also has him as his #1 DT. I'd still prefer Bowers because he looks talented enough to wreck havoc by putting pressure on the QB and chasing down RB's. My negative on a player is still A.J. Green. Very good player but still don't think of him as a top 10 talent.

The six I'd like to see the team select from, in order of preference:

1) Patrick Peterson - Rare DB talent

2) Da'quan Bowers - Believe he would make a bigger impact for the Browns than the top two DT's.

3) Nick Fairley - Once he learns how to use his hands better, I'm guessing he'll be a better NFL player than Dareus. Plus, he has a nasty streak that'll help put Squealers, Ratbirds, and Ben-gals in place.

4) Marcell Dareus - Would put him only slightly behind Fairley.

5) Ryan Kerrigan - Might even be able to trade down a couple or few spots and still get him. He's a just a good solid football player who goes all out.

6) Robert Quinn - Only if he proves he's worth it at the Combine and in interviews with the team. Definitely has the talent. Most would put him above Kerrigan, but for now there's enough doubt I'll keep him at #6 just based on talent level.

As much as I would like to see Ingram drafted by the Browns, I'm realistic enough to know that wont happen. Unless something crazy happens and they take advantage of Hillis' trade value and can pick up a 1st rounder for him. I'm not expecting that, just saying Ingram wont be considered most likely unless Hillis is traded. As crazy as this sounds keep in mind Mangini was the one who coveted Hillis and wanted him included in the Quinn trade.

Another player I want to keep tabs on at the Combine is Prince Amukarama. I've heard some criticism regarding his speed and the quality of WR's he faced in college. He needs to turn some heads at the Combine by having some great workouts. As hard as it is to find top-notch CB's, and considering the importance of having great ones, I'm hoping he proves he's better than some think he is. We obviously need a replacement for Sheldon Brown who had trouble covering receivers.

The team will be in a great spot to trade down if they decide they need more draft picks. There'll be at least a couple players other teams will covet enough to present offers. Depending on who's still on the board, it might be worth it.
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1. Da'Quan Bowers- Great talent that showed huge improvement his senior year and should only get better.
2. Marcell Dareus- Better 3 technique than Fairley.
3. AJ Green- WR that could fill #1 hole.
4. Patrick Peterson- Besides Haden, there's really nobody on the other side.
5. Robert Quinn- I think he will have to show a lot at the combine to show he's still got it.
6. Nick Fairley- Better for a 3-4 but just an absolute beast if he has the motivation.
This would be very similar to my board but I want no part of Fairley. I've seen enough DTs with motivational concerns. I'd probably switch Dareus and Green
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This would be very similar to my board but I want no part of Fairley. I've seen enough DTs with motivational concerns. I'd probably switch Dareus and Green
I remember when Ngata came out, his big knock was that he would play without motivation. All the "experts" said Baltimore was perfect for him as RayRay wouldn't let him lose motivation. Obviously we can't determine how much Lewis has helped Ngata's motivation but at the same time, knocks on people are sometimes blown out of proportion.

p.s. **** you Phil Savage for passing on Ngata for Wimbley.
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I think it could come down to Quinn or Green, they are the most likely to be there at #6 when we draft. Tough choice IMO, both will be huge stars in the NFL. Take your choice.
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I think it could come down to Quinn or Green, they are the most likely to be there at #6 when we draft. Tough choice IMO, both will be huge stars in the NFL. Take your choice.
What happened to you?! You used to be so negative!! This and your post about McCoy! I like it!!
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Just don't get me started on Lerner. Still a long way to go. With Holmgren running the draft, it should be a lot better.
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My 3-2 big board

1. JJ. Watt
2. Robert Quinn
3. Prince Amukamara
4. Nick Fairley
5. DaQuan Bowers
6. Gabbert/Newton
7. A.J. Green

I just don't like taking WRs high. Figuring Dareus and Peterson off the board.
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my list:

1-Bowers
2-Fairley
3-Green
4-Dareus
5-Peterson
6-Quinn

though I'm sure we'll have Dareus rated probably in our top 2 realistically, and ahead of Fairley. It will be very interesting to see what we do if Peterson is on the board at 6.
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I just can't see us goin corner. If it happens I'm ok with it I guess, but DL and WR are easily the top concerns. With Julio lightin it up in Indy he'd probably garner some consideration if Bowers, Dareus, Green and Gerard Warren, er...I mean Fairley are all gone at 6
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1. Marcell Dareus, DT Alabama
2. Nick Fairley, DT Auburn
3. Robert Quinn, DE North Carolina
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE Clemson
5. A.J. Green, WR Georgia
6. Patrick Peterson, CB LSU
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Currently my board is as follows:

1. A.J. Green
2. Marcell Dareus
3. Da'Quan Bowers
4. Patrick Peterson
5. Nick Fairley
6. Cameron Jordan

That is, however, very subject to change. Especially the bottom 4.
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Holmgren running the draft would be a disaster. Thankfully, he hired Heckert.

Not a single mention of Julio Jones on anyone's list? How can that be?
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Currently my board is as follows:

1. A.J. Green
2. Marcell Dareus
3. Da'Quan Bowers
4. Patrick Peterson
5. Nick Fairley
6. Cameron Jordan

That is, however, very subject to change. Especially the bottom 4.
100% ****! :D Mine would be...

1. Bowers
2. Dareus
3. Peterson
4. Jordan
5. Green
6. Kerrigan
7. Fairley
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Not a single mention of Julio Jones on anyone's list? How can that be?
There you go. I put him at #8. :D
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There you go. I put him at #8. :D
1. Marcell Dareus, DT Alabama
2. Nick Fairley, DT Auburn
3. Robert Quinn, DE North Carolina
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE Clemson
5. A.J. Green, WR Georgia
6. Patrick Peterson, CB LSU
7. Cameron Jordan, DE Cal
8. J.J. Watt, DE Wisconsin
9. Aldon Smith, DE Missouri
10. Mark Ingram, RB Alabama
11. Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska
12. Corey Liuget, DT Illinois
13. Julio Jones, WR Alabama

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Starting to get a better feel how the first few picks could go, and who will be left for the Browns to chose from. First few picks:

1) Carolina - QB Blaine Gabbert - QB's often get drafted much higher than they should due to to the importance of the position, and the difficulty in finding a franchise signal-caller. Gabbert has just enough talent to be considered for #1 overall considering certain QB's get overvalued.

2) Denver - DE Da'quan Bowers - They could draft Peterson instead but Bowers is my guess for Denver.

3) Buffalo - DT Marcell Dareus - Another team that could draft Peterson instead, but Dareus would really help improve Buffalo's D-line. I've seen other DT's described as the next Sapp, but Dareus probably reminds me more of him than the previous 'next Warren Sapps'. Bottomline Dareus is too good to pass up here. DE Robert Quinn may also be considered.

4) Cincinnati - QB Cam Newton - The Bengals have proven they will take players that have maturity or character concerns. I'm sure they get the picture that Palmer is serious about not playing for them again. I personally think it's too high for Cam, but they will be desperate to find their next franchise QB. Green and Peterson are other possibilities.

5) Arizona - CB Patrick Peterson - Would be hard for them to pass up the player some consider the best in the draft, and it's a position of need. Von Miller and maybe Fairley will also be considered.

6) Cleveland - DT Nick Fairley - Not a cut and dry selection. After dealing with Rogers lack of motivation to practice and earn his paycheck last season, the Browns braintrust will have to figure out whether Fairley will be motivated and dedicated. We need lots of D-linemen, and Fairley next to Rubin would help stuff the run. The two WR's and DE Quinn would be major considerations as well, probably with Quinn having the edge. Von Miller may also be considered.

If the top of the draft plays out this way it wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen for the Browns. The key is having two QB's being drafted in the top 5. Would also like to see Buffalo draft Quinn instead of Dareus, and have Dareus fall to the Browns. Just doubt that he would make it all the way down to 6 in that case.

Something else to consider, especially if Green is drafted in the top 5. The Browns were big on drafting toughness in the '10 draft, and Julio Jones is considered a real tough WR. I wont be shocked if he is drafted by the Browns.

Regardless who the top 5 players are that get drafted, the Browns will have some top-notch talent to select from.
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This year's draft is extremely talented for at least 12 picks and we will have no difficulty getting an impact player no matter who is available when we draft.
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The Browns have committed to Colt McCoy, so drafting Newton would pretty much undermine that... unless he's sitting there and they want to trade.

Nick Fairley on the other hand...
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Committed to him as a starter for next year. Also said they wouldn't hesitate to draft a QB high if they liked him...just saying. Fairley is EDIT - almost - as scary as Newton in terms of boom/bust.
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Committed to him as a starter for next year. Also said they wouldn't hesitate to draft a QB high if they liked him...just saying. Fairley is just as scary as Newton in terms of boom/bust.
The Browns aren't taking Newton.

He's not even in the conversation. Everything the Browns want to do with the west coast offense... Newton does almost none of those things.
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Can't speak to what they will or won't do but he better be in the conversation.
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Can't speak to what they will or won't do but he better be in the conversation.
Explain why
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Because we may or may not have a franchise QB. IMO probably not. If.. Heckert/Shurmur like Newton's or Gabbert's future prospects, they need to be in the conversation.
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Because we may or may not have a franchise QB. IMO probably not. If.. Heckert/Shurmur like Newton's or Gabbert's future prospects, they need to be in the conversation.
How does Cam Newton fit into the west coast offense, which Pat Shurmur was hired to run?
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