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Old 03-22-2011, 10:26 PM    (permalink
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Scott, good work as always. I like the Bills draft although I would have went with Ballard in the 2nd instead of Sherrod. I can also see them pulling the trigger on Newton, but Miller is a nice player. Just some thoughts though.......

I'm assuming you don't follow the Bills all that close, because if you did you would realize that they are set at LT. Demetrius Bell was coming back from an injury at the beginning of the year and his play improved drastically towards the end of the season. If you look at o-line statistics he was very good. He has everything you look for in a LT, is getting stronger, and his technique gets better all the time. As for RT, its definitely a need, but the front office seems to be happy with giving Eric Pears a shot, although I wouldn't be opposed to adding someone like Marcus Gilbert or James Brewer in the 4th (if they are available) to compete at that spot.
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The draft is alright for SF.Sucks we miss out on the top tier QB though so bummed tho I think Mallet might fall to us in round two or Ponder even.I like the picks still.
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"stoner", how you figure Gabbert "severely regressed" in his junior year? His completions and yardage were about the same, he had a higher completion percentage, and the team won two more games than the previous season. The only thing that dropped were his passing touchdowns. He didn't get better the way you might expect, but he didn't get worse. Also there was a pretty big turnover in the offensive personel around him between his soph and junior seasons, which would have an effect.
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Carolina, Denver, Buffalo, Cincinnati, and Arizona could all draft pretty much any position/player (OL being the extreme long-shot). Each team has needs at every position on the field. None of the trio of Green, Bowers, and Fairley is the clear-cut best player at his position, and there are other elitish talents available. Again, all 5 of those teams are complete wild cards.
Who, other than Gabbert, Netwon, Dareus, Fairley, Bowers, Green, Peterson, and Miller, has a realistic chance of being taken in the top 5? If every pick is a complete wild card, I would expect at least another 7-8 players.
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How does LeShoure not fit any team's system?! He can run up the middle, has OK ability to get outside, should develop into a good blocker, and is a very good receiver.

Disagree with a RB being the pick all you want, but anyone saying LeShoure doesn't fit in their team's system is a bit weird because he's so very versatile.
i very much disagree on him being a very good receiver although he is an acceptable (nothing more) blocker. Basically the saints need either speedy backs who are great in the receiving or violent power backs (although the need for the latter is limited right now) and LeShoure (like ingram) gets by mostly on vision. This does not work all that well in killing of garbage time which is the only role he would get given his limited usefullness in the passing game
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I'm sorry, but I just cannot understand the national obsession with sending a LT to the Lions. The OL is one of our smaller concerns, and what we do need on the OL is in the interior. A rookie LT will sit behind Backus all year and will do nothing to "keep Stafford upright". Comments like that from national guys are such strong proof they don't understand what the Lions need or want.

With Cameron Jordan, Julio Jones, and Mike Pouncey all going within five picks of #13, there is absolutely NO WAY we draft a developmental LT over those three guys who will all contribute immediately from Day One.

It. Will Not. Happen.

Bruce Carter seems like an opiate for mock drafters picking for the Lions in Round 2. Firstly, it makes very little sense right now. He's a major injury risk in that no one knows if he's going to retain his athleticism, so much like Herzlich his stock is hardly valuable in the middle of the 2nd. That can change if he proves otherwise. Secondly, Carter is nothing like the type of LB that Schwartz and Cunningham want! They are looking for two SAM-types so they don't need to give away their alignment when the offense moves the TE. Carter is an excellent WILL prospect, assuming his knee is fine, but he's not a SAM prospect. No one in their right mind would give Carter to a team who needs a SAM, so why do people continue to give him to the Lions when they want *TWO* SAMs???
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I'm sorry, but I just cannot understand the national obsession with sending a LT to the Lions. The OL is one of our smaller concerns, and what we do need on the OL is in the interior. A rookie LT will sit behind Backus all year and will do nothing to "keep Stafford upright". Comments like that from national guys are such strong proof they don't understand what the Lions need or want.

With Cameron Jordan, Julio Jones, and Mike Pouncey all going within five picks of #13, there is absolutely NO WAY we draft a developmental LT over those three guys who will all contribute immediately from Day One.

It. Will Not. Happen.

Bruce Carter seems like an opiate for mock drafters picking for the Lions in Round 2. Firstly, it makes very little sense right now. He's a major injury risk in that no one knows if he's going to retain his athleticism, so much like Herzlich his stock is hardly valuable in the middle of the 2nd. That can change if he proves otherwise. Secondly, Carter is nothing like the type of LB that Schwartz and Cunningham want! They are looking for two SAM-types so they don't need to give away their alignment when the offense moves the TE. Carter is an excellent WILL prospect, assuming his knee is fine, but he's not a SAM prospect. No one in their right mind would give Carter to a team who needs a SAM, so why do people continue to give him to the Lions when they want *TWO* SAMs???
I agree Backus would still start in 2011 at LT over a rookie. But the draft isn't just about 2011 or making an impact right away. Keeping Stafford upright for the next 10 years is why we would take a Left Tackle prospect right now and Schwartz and Mayhew know now more than ever its very important to have Stafford on the field. Plus with Gosders knee issue, a guy like Smith could play Right Tackle in 2011 then switch to left tackle. LT isn't a huge immediate need, but long term it is a need and the draft is about long term.

The Lions want versatile LBs and Carter was and could still be very athletic. They actually brought Carter in for a visit to check his knee and if his knee checks out he could very well be the pick but isn't the only option obviously in Round 2. He's the best LB on the board if his knee clears.
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I agree Backus would still start in 2011 at LT over a rookie. But the draft isn't just about 2011 or making an impact right away. Keeping Stafford upright for the next 10 years is why we would take a Left Tackle prospect right now and Schwartz and Mayhew know now more than ever its very important to have Stafford on the field. Plus with Gosders knee issue, a guy like Smith could play Right Tackle in 2011 then switch to left tackle. LT isn't a huge immediate need, but long term it is a need and the draft is about long term.

The Lions want versatile LBs and Carter was and could still be very athletic. They actually brought Carter in for a visit to check his knee and if his knee checks out he could very well be the pick but isn't the only option obviously in Round 2. He's the best LB on the board if his knee clears.
I agree, Backus could be done after next year as I believe he will be a FA or he might just retire. At his age, injuries also become a more frequent enemy.
I don't know for sure if the Lions will stay at #13 if the value at LT isn't there, after all, Smith hasn't worked out as yet. So they could be in a solid position to trade down for an extra 3rd and pick up a LT prospect at his value pick.
I certainly wouldn't count the Lions out of drafting a LT with their round 1 pick, I give it about a 65% chance of actually happening.
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Corey Hilliard fairly well when called on last year and we have Tony Ugoh coming into training camp. Both are tremendous protection against Cherilus's knee. We draft Jason Fox explicitly to be the heir apparent to Backus. If some of the above comments come true [which I don't think they will] and Backus seriously tanks this season, we already have the kid who's supposed to replace him on the roster.

Why would we want to stack the position like that? It's totally true that having to cut a good player is a luxury most teams would have, but we're talking about the draft, where you don't get a do over. We solve zero problems by drafting a LT, really anywhere in the draft, especially this year with such a lackluster LT class. A LT of the future is not a need, because we already have Fox! We might as well take a QB, I mean we don't know if Stafford will be as good as he should and Hill's not getting any younger. Maybe we should take one just in case.

And even having said all that, if the absolute best player available is a LT then -- okay -- that's what you do. You're staring at your board and there's a LT sitting there who clearly fell to you, then by all means, trust your board and take him. But that's not the situation in Scott's mock, and it's not likely to be the real situation in April. He has three players going within five picks of #13 that are all better than Smith. Two of those players -- Jordan and Jones -- are even ahead of Smith on Scott's big board! So he actually reached for a player that doesn't even play a position of need for the Lions! Guys, c'mon, look at the big picture here! Taking Smith with those three guys on the board is a horrible, horrible, horrible -- horrible! -- pick for Detroit.
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Does anyone think it is possible for Tennessee to take Julio Jones with that pick to pair with Chris Johnson & Kenny Britt to become a threat.
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I'm sorry, but I just cannot understand the national obsession with sending a LT to the Lions. The OL is one of our smaller concerns, and what we do need on the OL is in the interior. A rookie LT will sit behind Backus all year and will do nothing to "keep Stafford upright". Comments like that from national guys are such strong proof they don't understand what the Lions need or want.
This might be because what the Lions need and want historically does not lead to a great draft? :D Sorry too easy. But seriously Stafford's shoulder needs protection and that means O-line. Who cares if the pick sits behind Backus for a year -- unless everything is blown up again, there needs to be a multi-year plan in place to support Stafford and Backus isn't part of that equation.
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Does anyone think it is possible for Tennessee to take Julio Jones with that pick to pair with Chris Johnson & Kenny Britt to become a threat.
It's possible, but that trio isn't going to do much without a QB who is significantly better than Rusty Smith.
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This whole CBA crap has made me lose some of my passion for the draft. I normally would be counting down the days like it was Christmas but I just can't seemed to get pumped for it. I'm still going to watch but it's just not the same.
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Corey Hilliard fairly well when called on last year and we have Tony Ugoh coming into training camp. Both are tremendous protection against Cherilus's knee. We draft Jason Fox explicitly to be the heir apparent to Backus. If some of the above comments come true [which I don't think they will] and Backus seriously tanks this season, we already have the kid who's supposed to replace him on the roster.

Corey Hilliard needs to be resigned first. He is a free agent. Tony Ugoh was a terrible LT in Indy. He's a shot in the dark. And you are overrating Fox. I think he was drafted to give Gosder competition after a mediocre 2009 season for Gosder and then Hilliard beat out Fox for 2nd on the depth chart. There is no future LT on this roster IMO. I'd rather trade down myself like Canadien suggested and then take the LT. I'm just saying its a very real possibility we take a future LT. It's not me that has my heart set on it and Mayhew will go BPA so it could be Jordan or even Julio Jones. They did tender Avril a 1st and 3rd tender and Julio Jones works as a 2nd WR moving Burleson to the slot but it's not just about impact in year 1.

Why would we want to stack the position like that? It's totally true that having to cut a good player is a luxury most teams would have, but we're talking about the draft, where you don't get a do over. We solve zero problems by drafting a LT, really anywhere in the draft, especially this year with such a lackluster LT class. A LT of the future is not a need, because we already have Fox! We might as well take a QB, I mean we don't know if Stafford will be as good as he should and Hill's not getting any younger. Maybe we should take one just in case.

Tackle is not stacked because of Fox and Hilliard who are unproven especially as a Left Tackle protecting our injury prones Qb blindside. Stafford is the future and has tons of talent unlike Fox and Hilliard and Hill is proven so QB is stacked but tackle is not.

And even having said all that, if the absolute best player available is a LT then -- okay -- that's what you do. You're staring at your board and there's a LT sitting there who clearly fell to you, then by all means, trust your board and take him. But that's not the situation in Scott's mock, and it's not likely to be the real situation in April. He has three players going within five picks of #13 that are all better than Smith. Two of those players -- Jordan and Jones -- are even ahead of Smith on Scott's big board! So he actually reached for a player that doesn't even play a position of need for the Lions! Guys, c'mon, look at the big picture here! Taking Smith with those three guys on the board is a horrible, horrible, horrible -- horrible! -- pick for Detroit.
I don't think Smith would be a reach at 13. Smith is at least close to the rankings of Jones and Cameron Jordan. Smith just happens to play the most important positon and future LT is still a need even with Fox and Ugoh.
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I'm assuming you don't follow the Bills all that close, because if you did you would realize that they are set at LT. Demetrius Bell was coming back from an injury at the beginning of the year and his play improved drastically towards the end of the season. If you look at o-line statistics he was very good. He has everything you look for in a LT, is getting stronger, and his technique gets better all the time. As for RT, its definitely a need, but the front office seems to be happy with giving Eric Pears a shot, although I wouldn't be opposed to adding someone like Marcus Gilbert or James Brewer in the 4th (if they are available) to compete at that spot.
Sounds to me like you're understating the need at tackle. Bell can come in as the starter again and it might not be the worst thing, but relying on 3rd day picks and the Erik Pears of the world is the same old Bills thinking that is not going to help out an offense that has a lot of promise. Obviously we have plenty of needs, but I wouldn't be comfortable with what we have at the spot.
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i think id prefer taking curtis brown in the second...even will aaron williams in the first. im not a big fan of brewer and i think brown might end up a better corner than williams anyway
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"He won't be able to just use his arm power to throw defenders around at the next level!"

The hell he won't, lol.
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