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Old 04-19-2011, 08:01 PM    (permalink
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Matt Leinart - 35
Charlie Whitehurst - 33
Charlie Frye - 38
Andrew Walter - 31
Dan Orlovsky - 26
Jason White - 26
Craig Krenzel - 38
Drew Henson - 42
Joey Harrington - 32
Jesse Palmer - 32

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Most of those guys are not talented and were never thought to have starting potential to begin with. Charlie Whitehurst was the most talented player coming out of college on that entire list. And he was a bonehead and chronic underachiever.


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24. Jason Campbell 23

25. Brett Favre 22

25. Tim Tebow 22

25. Chad Henne 22

28. Bruce Gradkowski 19

29. Vince Young 15

30. Donovan McNabb 14

30. David Garrard 14
1 QB on that list is any good.

1 QB on that list had a pretty decent career, but was a perennial loser late in the playoffs. And now he's fading into an abysmal end to his career that will tarnish his legacy.

The rest are "just another guy" type QBs.

4 of them are black. 2 of them also play for the Oakland Raiders. Just a couple facts.

Vince Young also scored a 6. The whole retest because you're too stupid doesn't work for me. Dude got a 6.
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I don't think any Superbowl winner has had a low wonderlic in a while, and only 2 have been in the Superbowl since 2000, McNabb and McNair. I could be wrong I just glanced at the numbers.

1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48

2. Alex Smith 40

3. Eli Manning 39

4. Matt Stafford 38

5. Tony Romo 37

6. Aaron Rodgers 35

6. Matt Leinart 35

8. Tom Brady 33

9. Matt Ryan 32

10. Matt Schaub 31

11. Philip Rivers 30

12. Matt Hasselbeck 29

12. Marc Bulger 29

12. Brady Quinn 29

15. Mark Sanchez 28

15. Peyton Manning 28

15. Drew Brees 28

18. Josh Freeman 27

18. Joe Flacco 27

20. Carson Palmer 26

20. Jay Cutler 26

20. Kyle Orton 26

23. Ben Roethlisberger 25

24. Jason Campbell 23

25. Brett Favre 22

25. Tim Tebow 22

25. Chad Henne 22

28. Bruce Gradkowski 19

29. Vince Young 15

30. Donovan McNabb 14

30. David Garrard 14

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Brian Griese 39

Drew Bledsoe 36

Steve Young 33

John Elway 29

Chad Pennington 25

JaMarcus Russell 24

Mark Brunell 22

Trent Dilfer 22

Michael Vick 20

Daunte Culpepper 18

It seems like 25-35 is where its at. Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Palmer (back in the day), Big Ben, Rivers, Ryan, Flacco, Freeman then older guys like Elway, Young. Of course it doesn't tell everything, and there are exceptions to the rule, McNabb was a good qb as well as McNair. Favre had a great career at 22, so I wouldn't put too much stock on whether a qb is above 25. If a team has questions about intelligence just talk to the guy one on one. I think teams can figure out whether a player has the mental capacity to play much easier than a test. The test should just be something to reference.

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You have to wonder if scoring TOO high on the wonderlic can raise a red flag just as quick as scoring too low could.

**** just got deep.
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Most of those guys are not talented and were never thought to have starting potential to begin with. Charlie Whitehurst was the most talented player coming out of college on that entire list. And he was a bonehead and chronic underachiever.




1 QB on that list is any good.

1 QB on that list had a pretty decent career, but was a perennial loser late in the playoffs. And now he's fading into an abysmal end to his career that will tarnish his legacy.

The rest are "just another guy" type QBs.

4 of them are black. 2 of them also play for the Oakland Raiders. Just a couple facts.

Vince Young also scored a 6. The whole retest because you're too stupid doesn't work for me. Dude got a 6.

What does '4 of them are Black' mean, BB??

You're a piece of work, dude.
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You have to wonder if scoring TOO high on the wonderlic can raise a red flag just as quick as scoring too low could.

**** just got deep.
Yeah, I think that has been mentioned a few times before.
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You're a piece of work, dude.
Yeah I read that too....
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Just watch how QBs perform in pressure situations and that should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know...

Gabbert doesn't do well in those type of situations.

So, to the OP, yes some at NFLN or ESPN or CNNSI or DC haven't watched film on these prospects and if they did..STILL might not know what they're looking at.
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Apparently Blaine Gabbert has a once in a generation...memory, according to a yahoo article i read earlier. I am starting to see why people like him but i wouldn't draft him over Mallet or Locker. If he sits for a year or two, which won't be likely if he is picked in the top 5, he could be a pretty good starter.
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Earl Thomas would be thrilled if the Cardinals drafted Gabbert.
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**** just got deep.
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Billick and Casserly don't know **** about QBs.
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Thing I saw about Gabbert tonight and before is that physically he's got it all to be a QB...he just happens to suck...Some professional OC in the future will get a good season out of him or two if he doesn't suffer any devastating injury.
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He just hasn't even shown the glimpses of being decent, all QB's who end up being good atleast show flashes even when they are young. Gabbert consistently looks like the worst QB on the face of the earth.
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You have to give Gabbert more time, Kyle Bollers 7-8 years in and Billick hasn't given up on him yet.
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His pocket presence is as bad as any QB I've ever seen
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Let me put it to you this way, who in the history of the NFL, that has won a championship, looks like Blaine Gabbert?
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Vince Young also scored a 6. The whole retest because you're too stupid doesn't work for me. Dude got a 6.
I just want to repost this for emphasis and because I agree. None of those other scores are retests. Nobody in the upper scores is going, "Yeah, actually I got a perfect score... it just wasn't that time at the combine where we all took the test at the same time under the same conditions with the same directions."

Vince Young... is kinda dumb.

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Let me put it to you this way, who in the history of the NFL, that has won a championship, looks like Blaine Gabbert?
Rookie QBs used to hardly ever start in their first year.
'Deer in the headlights' used to be a common expression for describing the play of rookie QBs.

The game is still too big and fast for Gabbert, and with inconsistent protection he's having a difficult time working on going through his reads, his real challenge after leaving Mizzou.

Although many young QBs are better prepared than ever to play in the pros, sometimes guys like Gabbert figure it out later what it takes to be effective in the NFL.

Pocket presence however is something you hope a player has the minute he steps onto an NFL field. Still even a guy like Brees or Brady can lose that 'presence' if they take repeated hits in the pocket.

It's just too soon IMO to write Gabbert off.
I do think if Gabby doesn't have a huge jump in efficiency and overall play next season even with a new OC, the Jags will be looking long term to replace him.
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Most of the time, Iím willing to give a rookie quarterback a pass despite a long string of poor performances. A full pardon of sorts. All I want to see in their first season is flashes of promise. It doesnít even have to be a consistent display. It could simply be a scattering of bright moments. Like stepping up to evade the edge rusher and completing a stick throw on third-and-long. Or diagnosing an exotic coverage shell pre-snap and making the correct decision with the football. Or shrugging off earlier struggles within the game and engineering a couple successful drives late. Just show me something. Something that I can take as a positive and build on that going forward.

Quite frankly, Blaine Gabbert hasnít shown me anything. Now, I admit, I harbor a harsh bias against Gabbert because I always thought he was going to be terrible. Just watch Jacksonvilleís offense though. They have to endure some of the worst quarterback play in the NFL. And Iím not even talking about production. You expect subpar production from an inexperienced quarterback. Iím talking about the intricacies of the quarterback position. Gabbertís mechanics are an absolute mess. He has an awkward roll in his shoulder that hasnít abated since college ball. He has violent jerks back and forth when throwing. His footwork is a disaster in a muddied pocket. When sliding, he doesnít keep his feet aligned and balanced, meaning he wastes valuable time to reset the pocket for the throw. And, if he doesnít get his feet set, itís real tough to predict where that pass is going. But thatís just when he attempts to slide and get the ball out. A lot of times his pocket presence is so bad it doesnít get to that point. Iíve never seen a first-rounder crumble under duress like Gabbert. Itís not even the fact that he canít sense pressure. Itís that he appears terrified of it and shies from solid contact. Thatís not something that can be taught. You canít teach someone to stand in there and eat the big hit to make something happen. They either do or they donít. Add frustrating touch issues to the mix and youíve got a pretty clear picture of why the Jaguars shouldnít marry themselves to Gabbert. If they find a quarterback they love in the draft process, it should be a no-brainer for their front office.
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Come January and Billick gets hired down in Jacksonville. I'm sure he'll be heaping a **** ton of praise upon Gabbert.
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This Billicks issue with his ego he thinks he can turn any turd who can launch the ball into a hall of famer. If he didnt have such a ridiculous ego he would still probably be coaching the Ravens today and we may have picked up another ring from 2008 to now.
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This Billicks issue with his ego he thinks he can turn any turd who can launch the ball into a hall of famer. If he didnt have such a ridiculous ego he would still probably be coaching the Ravens today and we may have picked up another ring from 2008 to now.
Thing is he had Warren Moon when he took over as OC in Minnesota. Had some good offenses with Moon at the helm. When he retired Billick did OK with Brad Johnson, however, he got a lot of credit for reviving Randall Cunningham's career. In reality the selection of Randy Moss in 1998 had a hell of lot to do with that offense being #1 in points and #2 in yards.
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Come January and Billick gets hired down in Jacksonville. I'm sure he'll be heaping a **** ton of praise upon Gabbert.
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Rookie QBs used to hardly ever start in their first year.
'Deer in the headlights' used to be a common expression for describing the play of rookie QBs.

The game is still too big and fast for Gabbert, and with inconsistent protection he's having a difficult time working on going through his reads, his real challenge after leaving Mizzou.

Although many young QBs are better prepared than ever to play in the pros, sometimes guys like Gabbert figure it out later what it takes to be effective in the NFL.

Pocket presence however is something you hope a player has the minute he steps onto an NFL field. Still even a guy like Brees or Brady can lose that 'presence' if they take repeated hits in the pocket.

It's just too soon IMO to write Gabbert off.
I do think if Gabby doesn't have a huge jump in efficiency and overall play next season even with a new OC, the Jags will be looking long term to replace him.
Except lots of QBs didn't play in pro-style offenses, didn't **** the bed every time someone grazes their jersey in the pocket, and didn't fail to produce in a passer friendly offense in college.

This guy is doing exactly what he did at Missouri: suck.
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