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Old 06-08-2011, 02:09 PM    (permalink
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In the same amount of time that Lebron has been in the NBA, MJ had 6 seasons shooting over 51% in Field Goal Percentage. Lebron hasn't had one yet... Kobe never has.
You would expect Lebron to have a lot/many because of his ability to get to the rim at will.

Anyways, if the mavs continue to do what they did last game, they stand a very good chance of winning.

They need to play the game tight til the fourth quarter then switch to a zone defense. With the zone, you leave the perimeter open a lot more times but you close the inside lane and the Mavs shooters > Heat shooters.

regardless if the heat win I don't think this ring validates much in Lebron's career...

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You would expect Lebron to have a lot/many because of his ability to get to the rim at will.
Jordan wasn't exactly a set shot shooter from outside. A lot of people blame the current NBA shooting drought on Jordan's ability to attack the rim and score. Everyone wants to be like Mike and that meant somehow ignoring his lethal jump shooting and pay attention to his slashing.
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Is anyone really surprised Lebron isn't showing up in the finals? Isn't that the reason he left Cleveland for Miami, so he didn't have to? He didn't want to be the man, he wanted to differ to Wade. He didn't want the pressure to be on him. His finals performance is pretty consistent with the psychological traits that made him choose Miami over anywhere else.
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Is anyone really surprised Lebron isn't showing up in the finals? Isn't that the reason he left Cleveland for Miami, so he didn't have to? He didn't want to be the man, he wanted to differ to Wade. He didn't want the pressure to be on him. His finals performance is pretty consistent with the psychological traits that made him choose Miami over anywhere else.
Well yeah people can go back and look if they wanted but that's basically what we were all saying when he chose Miami, interestingly enough it's coming to fruition.
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Let's not kid ourselves.... the Heat are still winning the Championship.

It's just I despise the thought that anyone can compare Lebron to Michael.

...and I will equate his winning of a championship to Gary Payton's when he won it with Wade and Shaq in Miami.
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Let's not kid ourselves.... the Heat are still winning the Championship.

It's just I despise the thought that anyone can compare Lebron to Michael.

...and I will equate his winning of a championship to Gary Payton's when he won it with Wade and Shaq in Miami.
That's a big stretch. Sure, LeBron has not played well in the finals, but there is no way the Heat would be here without LeBron.
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People have become so obsessed with the MJ comparisons that they miss out on what a great, well rounded player LeBron is.
I think it's more lebron knob slobbers who defend him to the death and put up ridiculously bad arguments in the MJ v Lebron debates...
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That's a big stretch. Sure, LeBron has not played well in the finals, but there is no way the Heat would be here without LeBron.
It's not about contribution. It's about how he got there.

Dirk decided to stick with the Mavs (a team built around him, lacking elite talent). Lebron went ring chasing and went to Miami (a team that already had Wade and Bosh... 2 other elite talents). Insert any other superstar with Wade/Bosh... they could easily win a championship too.

Am I gonna give the same credit to Lebron for winning a championship as I would if Dirk and Dallas won? Hell no. I would give Dirk way more credit for leading his team of lesser talent to the championship. He earned it the hard way. Anything Lebron wins is winning it the easy way. There's no glory in that. None. His legacy as a Heat is pretty much worthless to me. If he leaves and wins somewhere else while leading his team, then I would give him a lot of credit for that. Right now? He's a glorified 3rd wheel.
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I agree that Dirk should get more credit if the Mavs win then LeBron should get if the heat win. There is no point of debating that. But saying that LeBron winning the championship compares to Gary Payton winning is just wrong. LeBron is obviously a big part of that team while Payton was just along for the ride.(Yes, I'm aware that he hit a game winner). I know you said that it's not about contribution but you can't compare his ring to Payton's just because you don't like how he got there.
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Sixers and Clippers are discussing a trade that would send Iggy to LA in exchange for Kaman.

Imagine Iggy on the Clips:

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PF Griffin
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That's a pretty ******* solid starting 5
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Just Kaman? That's pretty bad for the Sixers.
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That's a pretty ******* solid starting 5
There was another rumor earlier in the week of a potential Iguodala for Monta Ellis swap.
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I agree that Dirk should get more credit if the Mavs win then LeBron should get if the heat win. There is no point of debating that. But saying that LeBron winning the championship compares to Gary Payton winning is just wrong. LeBron is obviously a big part of that team while Payton was just along for the ride.(Yes, I'm aware that he hit a game winner). I know you said that it's not about contribution but you can't compare his ring to Payton's just because you don't like how he got there.
Sure I can. We all have our own opinions. MJ wouldn't have been MJ if he joined Magic and Bird. But I guess I can give Lebron Scottie Pippen like credit if that makes you feel better.
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Just Kaman? That's pretty bad for the Sixers.
Sixers are trying to clear cap. They are trying to sell the team and don't want salary tied up. At this point, it doesn't even matter that they aren't getting great value. These owners are business men first. They just want to salary dump. They are probably finding that teams will do that for Iggy, but not for Brand... so they are getting desperate.
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Sixers are trying to clear cap. They are trying to sell the team and don't want salary tied up. At this point, it doesn't even matter that they aren't getting great value. These owners are business men first. They just want to salary dump. They are probably finding that teams will do that for Iggy, but not for Brand... so they are getting desperate.
^^^^^ This. Iggy's reputation is better than Brand's around the league. An Iggy for Kama trade works out much favorably for both the Sixers and Clippers as Philly would be trading their 2nd largest contract for a $12 million expiring. A deal for Monta and Iggy doesn't provide Philly with an expiring deal, just one that's $1 million dollars cheaper.
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I really think Iggy straight up for the #4 overall pick is in play as well as Iggy straight up for the #6 pick. If the Cavs land Iggy to be their poor man's Bron and draft Kyrie they will be well on their way. I also something like Iggy for Gallo could be in play. Something like Iggy for Gortat is probably out there for the Suns if they wanted. Toronto is an interesting team because they could play Iggy beside Derozan. Something like Iggy for Linas Kleiza+5th pick would probably work.
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I really think Iggy straight up for the #4 overall pick is in play as well as Iggy straight up for the #6 pick. If the Cavs land Iggy to be their poor man's Bron and draft Kyrie they will be well on their way. I also something like Iggy for Gallo could be in play. Something like Iggy for Gortat is probably out there for the Suns if they wanted. Toronto is an interesting team because they could play Iggy beside Derozan. Something like Iggy for Linas Kleiza+5th pick would probably work.
I don't like the Iggy fit too much for Toronto. He doesn't shoot many 3s and DeRozan doesn't shoot any. 2 wings that don't have range is sketchy.
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I'm hoping for Iggy to LA Clips. They'll be on tv all the time.
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I don't like the Iggy fit too much for Toronto. He doesn't shoot many 3s and DeRozan doesn't shoot any. 2 wings that don't have range is sketchy.
would be the same along side Hill neither are 3 pt shooters, but my god that would be some shut down perimeter defense
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Sure I can. We all have our own opinions. MJ wouldn't have been MJ if he joined Magic and Bird. But I guess I can give Lebron Scottie Pippen like credit if that makes you feel better.
Yea but the comparison between him and GP winning a ring is way off. For one there are still *likely* 3 games left so who knows how he finishes, but he was a huge contribution during the season and the entire playoff run. He's had a terrible 3 games out of 4 on the biggest stage to this point, which is unacceptable, but GP was just on the team. His contributions to get to that point were minimal at best.



I also don't know why Stevenson continues to prod at Bron through the media. Jesus, it's 3 games left, leave it alone. Then again, he talked and backed it up, so did Terry, so whatever. I'd just rather let him suck and keep it that way. Not piss him off into a 40 point explosion.
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Why not trade #2 for Iggy? Wolves desperately need a SG. Iggy gives them defence and a legit scorer across Love. His lack of a 3 ball is compensated by Love. Maybe they can try to dump Martell Webster/Darko on Philly as well.
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its a possibility but Minn obviously wants a Center far more than a wing at this point
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