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Old 08-17-2011, 08:12 PM    (permalink
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The only reason this seems so sensational is because a booster actually came out and confessed and because of the opulence that is related with Miami's nightlife.

Anyone who doesn't think this sort of thing happens at every major college is just burying their head in the sand. It's just like steroids in baseball, if the NCAA investigates everyone, everyone will be guilty. Far easier to pick a few programs that haven't won anything recently and punish them, especially after how stupid they looked with the whole USC thing. Hence targetting OSU, UNC and now Miami since.

Hit them hard and then fix the rules and pretend it never happened.
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Anyone who doesn't think this sort of thing happens at every major college is just burying their head in the sand.
That's a ridiculous and totally unfounded statement. And you can't even compared Miami's situation to Ohio State. It's the difference between shooting someone and punching them.
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Too bad the cleared guys not from Miami....

Some of the stuff is pretty petty. For Tavares Gooden it was buying dinner and such on his birthday....pretty bush.

Some of the stuff is just garbage, however obviously the prostitutes, straight cash, abortion, rims, etc. I can't promote...
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im sure theres a former cane in prison waiting to pat shapiro on the back..with a prison shank
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You're an asshole.

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I just broke SWDC rule #1

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Crap. I tried to +rep you for making me LOL but I need to spread more rep first.
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I wouldn't consider that an attack, because I am an asshole.

Also, you're learning how the English language works, and I encourage that.
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http://miami.247sports.com/Article/O...nd-Canes-36020

Very good read. I agree to a high degree.
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Very good read. I agree to a high degree.
Good article thanks for that. The players contribute so much but only get a small fraction, so I can see how a player would take a little on the side. However, that doesn't excuse them from punishment. They have to play by the current rules, even if the rules aren't perfect right now.

I honestly wish college football wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is. It's such a big business and there is so much money around that doesn't go to the guys that really earn it. I don't think that players can be straight up paid because I just don't know a way that would be semi fair between teams.

Would players make more money by going to a big name team like Alabama or USC? Would SEC teams pay out more per player than PAC-12 teams? Would starters make more than back ups? Would anyone go to lesser team if it meant they would get less cash?

I think that they players deserve more, but I just don't know how to give it to them. I can't agree to giving players cash until I see a method that is fair and doesn't completely upset the competitive balance.
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Take it for what it's worth, A&M held a private dinner for their top boosters last night. Boosters were told Aggies, OU, Mizz, VaTech to SEC
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The difference, as far as I can tell, is that the NCAA has done a wonderful job duping people into believing this multi-billion dollar a year industry is pursued for the sake of amateurism. Itís a total sham. The coaches arenít amateurs, the administrators arenít amateurs, the corporate sponsors and media companies that make hundreds of millions of dollars a year on the backs of these players arenít amateurs. The only "amateursĒ involved are the guys doing all the work. Pretty nice racket if you can get it.
Scathing.

I really think the system, as it's presently constituted, doesn't make much sense anymore with this much money involved. I just don't think there's a particularly good or easy way to go about fixing all this. Football is the only major North American sport(and one of the only sports period) without any sort of farm system, in large part because the idea of playing football professionally and viable professional leagues weren't established until far after college football was a national phenomenon. I don't think that works on some levels anymore.

I will say that this Miami stuff really isn't the textbook example for the idea of the NCAA as a commercial entity. The reason this entire thing was a big deal was because of the lack of institutional control and the idea that recruits/players were being reigned in with sex. The money was part of it, but if that was the only element of the story it wouldn't have been near as big of a deal/looked as bad.
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Spoke to a source who was part of UM football team under Randy Shannon. Confirmed some of Shapiro's allegations, but says some are bogus

Source from UM during Shannon yrs says asst. coaches Clint Hurtt and Joe Pannunzio used Shapiro as recruiting tool. Brought them to his home

Source says he never heard Shannon mention Shapiro's name to the team, but knows he didn't like him one bit

Source also says asst coach Jeff Stoutland was "as clean as they come"

My source (@ UM during Shannon yrs) says he wasnt aware of players taking $. Knew of recruits getting royal treatment with Shapiro, not cash
From Adam Kuperstein.

Kinda weird that Shapiro wouldn't mention Pannunzio, but other sources did. No idea why though.
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The President of the NCAA says the "death penalty" is a possibility for Miami.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...a-deathpenalty
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Would the ACC still be allowed to have a championship game if Miami is suspended for a year? That would be a big loss financially and I'm pretty sure the TV networks are leaning heavily on the NCAA here. It's a hypocrisy but I just can't see the NCAA going that far.
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Traditional Media Sucks.

Pretty good opinion piece on how compromised the ESPN's, SI's, Rivals, etc... of the world are wrt covering the sport. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
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I don't think SI is nearly the group of corporate stooges that ESPN is, on average. ESPN is a joke.
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The "pile on ESPN" thing is the easiest thing in the world to do if you are a sports fan. They obviously deserve it though. It becomes less and less about sports and journalism year and more and more about "Entertainment Tonight with sports".
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Sorry if already posted.. very interesting.. makes the allegations seem a bit less harsh but obviously problems still remain

http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/20...te-his-claims/
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The "pile on ESPN" thing is the easiest thing in the world to do if you are a sports fan. They obviously deserve it though. It becomes less and less about sports and journalism year and more and more about "Entertainment Tonight with sports".
It's not just that (although it is partly that), it's that they are incessant suck ups to the establishment. The minute the Roger Goodell/Michael Vick issue came up there were three separate articles on ESPN.com talking about how it was no big deal, while SI.com had two articles questioning the ramifications, etc.

ESPN is far too willing to sacrifice journalistic integrity for access. They also take credit for **** they don't do all the time, and never give credit to other companies when they break stories (never once providing a link to the yahoo! article on Miami, even though they referenced it hundreds of times)
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It's not just that (although it is partly that), it's that they are incessant suck ups to the establishment. The minute the Roger Goodell/Michael Vick issue came up there were three separate articles on ESPN.com talking about how it was no big deal, while SI.com had two articles questioning the ramifications, etc.

ESPN is far too willing to sacrifice journalistic integrity for access. They also take credit for **** they don't do all the time, and never give credit to other companies when they break stories (never once providing a link to the yahoo! article on Miami, even though they referenced it hundreds of times)
ESPN is the spawn of the devil.
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