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Old 09-26-2011, 12:30 AM    (permalink
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Well you never know. Alex Smith could get a season ending injury against Philadelphia next week. That would really make things look worse than they already are and the 49ers could be in position. I'm just asking you if you would take him, not if you would take him, but this or that. So your answer is yes then. You would take Luck if the 49ers had a shot, and Kaepernick's presence on the roster wouldn't effect your decision. Gotcha. Thank you.
But that's the "anti-Smith" / "not-sold on Kaepernick" pessimism. You bring up the "what if" of Smith being injured. I bring up the "what if" optimism of Alex Smith managing the team to 10 wins and a Divisional playoff birth.

The draft prospects following those vastly different seasons is far from marginal.
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But that's the "anti-Smith" / "not-sold on Kaepernick" pessimism. You bring up the "what if" of Smith being injured. I bring up the "what if" optimism of Alex Smith managing the team to 10 wins and a Divisional playoff birth.

The draft prospects following those vastly different seasons is far from marginal.
But we're talking about San Francisco being in the position to select Andrew Luck. You said they won't be, which was never the point of what I asked you so I don't know why you went off on that tangent in the first place. It was a yes or no question. That actually made me have to deviate from my main point to tell you that you never know what will happen in the NFL, even though that should go without saying. It has nothing to do with having a bias against Smith at all.

All in all it doesn't matter. You already said you would pick Luck if the 49ers were in position to get him...even if Kaepernick was still on the roster. And of course, I shouldn't have to ask you why that is.

This goes back to the main topic at hand, and that is that if you feel like you need to upgrade the position, you upgrade it. Period. Just because Kaepernick was taken with a high second round pick, doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't think about taking a quarterback in the first round that might be better. Especially if you have a chance to get a prospect you feel that can help your franchise.
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as usual we'll win ourselves right outta the luck sweepstakes
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as usual we'll win ourselves right outta the luck sweepstakes
Did you expect anything different? The Niners of recent years are great at sucking during the most important part of the season, winning late season games after they're out of the playoff chase, when it's the least beneficial to the team from a draft standpoint.
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I wish we could go back and win the Bush Bowl. Reggie Bush is a franchise changing draft pick!!!
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I wish we could go back and win the Bush Bowl. Reggie Bush is a franchise changing draft pick!!!
I would never be thrilled about getting a running back with an early pick. Because they are really only dominant for six to seven years. Then they break down. But it's a quarterback, the most important position, that is a franchise changing pick. Especially one touted as highly as Luck is.

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Did you expect anything different? The Niners of recent years are great at sucking during the most important part of the season, winning late season games after they're out of the playoff chase, when it's the least beneficial to the team from a draft standpoint.
This. It's like Groundhog Day from Hell.
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as usual we'll win ourselves right outta the luck sweepstakes
And probably Barkley/Jones, too.
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It's part of the horror of being middle of the pack. You aren't good enough to make playoffs and be able to challenge for a SuperBowl. You aren't bad enough to get a top 10 pick and end up in the middle of the pack where most of the talent at the needed positions are gone.
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They really aren't a middle of the pack team; they are often not in contention early and just win some (all but meaningless) games late in the season to provide optimism for "next year" and screw up their draft position.
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It's part of the horror of being middle of the pack. You aren't good enough to make playoffs and be able to challenge for a SuperBowl. You aren't bad enough to get a top 10 pick and end up in the middle of the pack where most of the talent at the needed positions are gone.
And as a result you are stuck with the same terrible players year after year and tricked into thinking your team can actually compete the following season with who you already have.
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They really aren't a middle of the pack team; they are often not in contention early and just win some (all but meaningless) games late in the season to provide optimism for "next year" and screw up their draft position.
Well before last season we started 2-1 a couple of times or something. But in 2010 when we actually played real competitive teams for the first five weeks we were 0-5 not surprisingly. That was definitely a wake up call.
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Well before last season we started 2-1 a couple of times or something. But in 2010 when we actually played real competitive teams for the first five weeks we were 0-5 not surprisingly. That was definitely a wake up call.
Starting 2-1 makes you relevant for a short time, but in those seasons whee they got a fast start, the Niners had subsequent long mid-season losing streaks, taking them out of playoff contention.
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taking them out of playoff contention.
you make it seem as if we were competitive enough to make playoffs.
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you make it seem as if we were competitive enough to make playoffs.
I was purely speaking regarding their status mathematically at the earlier parts of the season.

However, you could argue that they have been competitive enough to contend for the NFC West crown, but not a Wild Card spot with other NFC teams outside the division.
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