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Old 10-19-2011, 02:52 PM    (permalink
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How would Brees not be a HOF? The dude has a flawless superbowl run, and multiple records, and half a decade leading the top rated offense, and not one person on the Saints will even be close to making the HOF, and we really don't have perennial pro bowlers, it's all Drew.
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Oh my gawsh, I left out the n on the word. I made a typo.

And actually, yes. Do you think that most HOF voters watch hours on end of game film on all of the nominees? You even note that he was snubbed for guys with better name recognition. What the hell do you think the Hall of Fame is?
The point is the name recognition and accolades will come. He's on pace for the HOF.

This thread isn't about people who are locks to the HOF. It's about guys that are on pace.
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The point is the name recognition and accolades will come. He's on pace for the HOF.

This thread isn't about people who are locks to the HOF. It's about guys that are on pace.
But at what point do you start that pace? Cam Newton is having a great rookie season. Sam Bradford won rookie of the year. Are they "on pace" for the HOF? Would anyone even seriously have that conversation? Is Andrew Luck on pace for the HOF?

Also, again, the OP said that Long was a lock, and made the distinction between those that were locks, and those that were on their way. Meaning, by his own words, that Long was already there.

-IF Long plays at an elite level for 10 more years, he's got a chance.

-IF the Dolphins turn it around so that they make it on television and in the playoffs every once in a while, he's got a chance.

-IF he makes about 10 more all-pro teams, he's got a chance.

But couldn't you say that about dozens, if not hundreds of players?
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But at what point do you start that pace? Cam Newton is having a great rookie season. Sam Bradford won rookie of the year. Are they "on pace" for the HOF? Would anyone even seriously have that conversation? Is Andrew Luck on pace for the HOF?

Also, again, the OP said that Long was a lock, and made the distinction between those that were locks, and those that were on their way. Meaning, by his own words, that Long was already there.

-IF Long plays at an elite level for 10 more years, he's got a chance.

-IF the Dolphins turn it around so that they make it on television and in the playoffs every once in a while, he's got a chance.

-IF he makes about 10 more all-pro teams, he's got a chance.

But couldn't you say that about dozens, if not hundreds of players?
I hear Canton already has Luck's bust ready, actually.
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This thread isn't about people who are locks to the HOF. It's about guys that are on pace.
and Nick Collins
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I'm coming around to Nick Collins. If he can get to that 6th pro bowl in the next few years he is a LOCK.
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-Collins has 21 interceptions through 7 seasons, at a pace of 3 interceptions a year.

-The record for interceptions in a career is 81.

-Collins is 28.

-So, if he stays at this pace, he'll break the record by time he's 48.

Hall of Fame ticket, consider yourself punched.
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-Collins has 21 interceptions through 7 seasons, at a pace of 3 interceptions a year.

-The record for interceptions in a career is 81.

-Collins is 28.

-So, if he stays at this pace, he'll break the record by time he's 48.

Hall of Fame ticket, consider yourself punched.
Come on BF you are discounting the number of years he is going to spend as the 3rd-6th best safety in the league.
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-Collins has 21 interceptions through 7 seasons, at a pace of 3 interceptions a year.

-The record for interceptions in a career is 81.

-Collins is 28.

-So, if he stays at this pace, he'll break the record by time he's 48.

Hall of Fame ticket, consider yourself punched.
Right, you need to break the INT record in order to make the Hall. How many does Polamalu have?
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Looking at bearsfan's list a couple pages back. You have some of those guys as locks, and then you leave T.O. off? I know the guy is a prick, but the guy is 2nd in NFL history in yds, and 3rd in td's, I mean I know the guy doesnt have a ring...but neither does Moss and you have him as a lock.
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Looking at bearsfan's list a couple pages back. You have some of those guys as locks, and then you leave T.O. off? I know the guy is a prick, but the guy is 2nd in NFL history in yds, and 3rd in td's, I mean I know the guy doesnt have a ring...but neither does Moss and you have him as a lock.
Everyone he listed is still in the league, except Randy who he noted with a (retired) parenthetical.
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To bf_51, i see on multiple posts you left out Jason Witten, yet put in Antonio Gates. Aside from the touchdowns (Gates has 69, Witten has 38), Witten has more catches (648 to 537) and more yards (7,381 to 7,079). He has been to the same amount of Pro Bowls (7), and they've both been named All-Pro five times.

When you take the recognition factor into the equation and the fact that he played for the Dallas Cowboys, how is his career resume any different than Gates', and why shouldn't he be considered a HoF caliber guy when he has been a top two TE since his entry into the league? At the pace that he is going, he will probably retire with a lot of the All-Time TE records, and he already has Gates (who many consider a lock, or close to a lock) beat in many categories. I just wanna know if it's an honest mistake in overlooking his resume, or if you have some kind of explanation why you don't think he's HoF worthy.
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lol is Gates really sitting pretty at 69 TDs? That's awesome. Awwww yea.
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Yeah, it helps when you're the #1 target in the red-zone for your offense. It also helps to have an OC that knows what the **** he's doing. Neither of which Witten is/has.
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Gates is not a lock fellas. He's starting the decline with injuries and I just don't see him producing that much more.
He was a beast, but if he is done production wise, I don't see much support for a few years for him.
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Yeah I like Witten a lot, wouldn't swap for Gates though. Gates is teh sex his injury over the last year+ saddens me deeply.
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Yeah I like Witten a lot, wouldn't swap for Gates though. Gates is teh sex his injury over the last year+ saddens me deeply.
I share the sentiment. If you would have had Witten since his rookie year, i'm sure you would feel the exact same way. He has been consistently All-Pro caliber since coming into the league. If only we looked at him more in the red zone (like we ******* should), i wouldn't have to make a case for him. He's gonna go down as one of the greatest.

Also, he never has nagging toe injuries ;)
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I'd be shocked if Witten doesnt make it.

He fits into that top of the league for so and so years criteria. And he's one of the most complete TEs to ever play the game. When he's finished he'll be 2/3 in receptions and yards...probably 2nd, only to Gonzalez.

And Ware is well on his way. He has the highest sack per season average of all-time currently, at over 13 per season. And he's been one of the league's most dominant forces since his 2nd season in the league. You have hall of fame coaches comparing the guy to LT and Thomas...he's dominant, has the eye popping stats, and he's got the big name and glowing reviews from opposing coaches and players.
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I'd be shocked if Witten doesnt make it.

He fits into that top of the league for so and so years criteria. And he's one of the most complete TEs to ever play the game. When he's finished he'll be 2/3 in receptions and yards...probably 2nd, only to Gonzalez.

And Ware is well on his way. He has the highest sack per season average of all-time currently, at over 13 per season. And he's been one of the league's most dominant forces since his 2nd season in the league. You have hall of fame coaches comparing the guy to LT and Thomas...he's dominant, has the eye popping stats, and he's got the big name and glowing reviews from opposing coaches and players.
I still remember being shocked Witten fell to the 3rd round in the draft. Cowboys got a freakin steal there.
And I also remember the 2005 NFL Draft and a couple years after everyone clamoring about Shawne Merriman and not much about Ware.
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I still remember being shocked Witten fell to the 3rd round in the draft. Cowboys got a freakin steal there.
And I also remember the 2005 NFL Draft and a couple years after everyone clamoring about Shawne Merriman and not much about Ware.
What are some other things you remember...do you remember junior prom?
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2) Peyton Manning
3) Ray Lewis
4) LaDanian Tomlinson
5) Randy Moss (retired now, I guess)
6) Tony Gonzalez
7) Brian Urlacher
8) Bill Bellicheck
9) Champ Bailey
10) Charles Woodson
11) Drew Brees

That's it for the locks. Here are the probable guys.
12) Terrell Owens

13) Steve Hutchison
14) Julius Peppers
15) Jason Taylor
16) Kevin Williams
17) Demarcus Ware
18) Ronde Barber
19) Ed Reed
20) Antonio Gates
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Everyone he listed is still in the league, except Randy who he noted with a (retired) parenthetical.
Im reading it as he thinks those guys are locks over T.O.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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threads like these are why we cant have nice things.

nick collins? for realsies. Jake Long? oy vey.

Ray Rice is an obvious lock, but some of these names getting throw around are absurd.
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What are some other things you remember...do you remember junior prom?
I remember a couple Super Bowl victories for my team. Do you remember your team winning any Super Bowls?
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Hm I guess I don't really disagree there...although BF did misspell Ladainian, that's not cool. Brees could probably go a bit longer, but he will. TO has a lot working against him despite the #s, mainly the fact that he is the poster child for destroying teams. That's a big deal for these old school Canton voters, don't forget how long it took freaking Art Monk to get in.
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