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I just really dislike Ryan. Sure the guy is a defensive guru, but the guy is just idiotic sometimes.

I'm not even a Harbs fan, but Harbs>>>>>Ryan pretty easily. I want a man who commands respect as my HC. Not a side show like Rex. All he does is motivate the other team. Our locker room would have eaten him alive in time of crisis. I mean the guys team captain was calling out players for selfish reasons earlier in the year. Everyone loves him when the team is winning, but you could tell players get tired of that attitude real fast when they're losing.

Jason Garrett would have been a great hire imo. But I can't really blame our FO, since Garrett was the one who denied interviewing or taking the job.
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Since 2009 his teams overachieved in the playoffs and we look like **** and crumbled. thats what I care about, not what a coach is saying on Tuesday to the media.
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Most of the times we crumbled was because of the offense.

Not sure how Rex would have prevented that.
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I still wish we had made Rex the coach in Baltimore. Nothing against Harbaugh, but Rex would have been a great Ravens coach.
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I guess I'm the only one here that despises Rex...
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Most of the times we crumbled was because of the offense.

Not sure how Rex would have prevented that.
Cams blood would be splattered over Baltimore by now if Rex was the coach.
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Cams blood would be splattered over Baltimore by now if Rex was the coach.
Have you seen who their OC is?

Hes not Cam bad obviously, but hes still pretty bad.
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I just really dislike Ryan. Sure the guy is a defensive guru, but the guy is just idiotic sometimes.

I'm not even a Harbs fan, but Harbs>>>>>Ryan pretty easily. I want a man who commands respect as my HC. Not a side show like Rex. All he does is motivate the other team. Our locker room would have eaten him alive in time of crisis. I mean the guys team captain was calling out players for selfish reasons earlier in the year. Everyone loves him when the team is winning, but you could tell players get tired of that attitude real fast when they're losing.

Jason Garrett would have been a great hire imo. But I can't really blame our FO, since Garrett was the one who denied interviewing or taking the job.
I feel you here, like I said: I like Rex, maybe without the mouth though. However I feel this may be Rex's in the NY spotlight, where anything and everything you say is scrutinized and there are many more mics around to pick up stupid **** you say.

Might have been a little different had he been here.
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I feel you here, like I said: I like Rex, maybe without the mouth though. However I feel this may be Rex's in the NY spotlight, where anything and everything you say is scrutinized and there are many more mics around to pick up stupid **** you say.

Might have been a little different had he been here.
No doubt about that.

But Rex is who is. I also think Revis is making him look a lot better than he is. Don't get me wrong, hes one of the best defensive minds in football, but having the best DB in the NFL helps.

Plus all that junk he talks, would really motivate a team like the Steelers. And we don't need them to be any more motivated than they already are.

Both of the Ryan brothers are good DC's to have, but as the main guy, I'd never want them on my team.
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Am I ******** or am I the only one who thinks its ridiculous that people keep projecting us with DL and passrushers?
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I've brought it up in the first couple mocks I've seen it in, at this point it appears as that's the impression the outside world has of our D-Line. We usually go BPA so its not out of the realm of possibilities, however its still a bit shocking as how frequently one is mocked to us.
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Yea but often its not even the BPA, I've seen them mocked to us with Kuechley Mike Adams and Konz drafted by later teams. Hell I've even seen one with Taze still available
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Well last year our pass rush was **** so everyone thinks it still must be ****, but with Paganos aggressive defense and our young line and pass rushers playing the way they have all we need is late round patch worth picks for depth.
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With Redding being a free agent (as well as a guy that could be upgraded anyways) I think drafting a DE could be a possibility. I like Jones and McPhee but if we have to use either of those guys as a starter to replace Redding then we're not very deep at all since we would only have one of them to backup both Ngata and the other starter. Now we could bring in a free agent or even bring back Redding but at this point most mocks aren't considering outside free agents since it's so early. I'm not sure I would want to see Jones or McPhee starting anyways. Both have had good seasons but I like what they provide off of the bench, they really bolster our depth and allow us to use quite a few different combinations up front. Getting a guy like Crick or maybe even Ingram (he's a stretch since I doubt he would be effective at DE in a 3-4, but we do use a lot of over/under fronts so that position does line up as a base DE more often than not) could help us tremendously.
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An OLB really isn't that ridiculous if you ask me. I think Kruger is perfect where he is right now. (3rd down pass-rusher)
And JJ might be gone after this year.

Kindle doesn't even get activated. I think the FO really has no faith in him.
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I'm not sure about OLB. I agree that we should keep Kruger in the role he's in now, we're finally getting something out of him and he's doing it consistently. The Kindle situation is more complex. If we activated him we would probably use him in much the same way we use Kruger, as a 3rd down specialist. However we would also be taking away snaps from Suggs or Kruger is we did that and that's not ideal at this point. I'm sure Pagano could scheme a way to get them all on the field but I doubt he would want to constantly do that, nor do I think we would benefit from it a whole lot. Since he's not going to get snaps on defense the only thing available to him would be snaps on special teams and with the injury he suffered that is a terrible idea and the guy he would likely replace (McClellan) has been excellent this year. If Johnson leaves we have a hole at the position but I don't think the FO would hesitate too much to use Kindle more extensively if need be.
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Yeah, but you can't just give Kindle a major role next year, after he hasn't played football in 2 years.
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That's true, but I don't think we would spend another high pick on the position either. So... let's do what we did at DE (talking about Redding here) and find a somewhat cheap veteran that can fill in for a while if Johnson leaves. Of course I don't think that we will let Johnson walk away and he shouldn't be too pricey since he's not much of a pass-rusher.
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I say we move JJ to ILB and start Kruger then activate Kindle. McClain isnt exactly a star at ILB he is a servicable starter. JJ will be better in run support, maybe worse in coverage but coverage is McClain weakness anyway. This will improve our pass rush immensley.
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I for the life of me don't understand why people think JJ could play ILB.

The guy isn't very good in space, and in coverage either.

His best attribute is attacking the LOS, so unless you're going to have him blitz on every down, you're taking away the best part of his game.
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With Redding being a free agent (as well as a guy that could be upgraded anyways) I think drafting a DE could be a possibility. I like Jones and McPhee but if we have to use either of those guys as a starter to replace Redding then we're not very deep at all since we would only have one of them to backup both Ngata and the other starter. Now we could bring in a free agent or even bring back Redding but at this point most mocks aren't considering outside free agents since it's so early. I'm not sure I would want to see Jones or McPhee starting anyways. Both have had good seasons but I like what they provide off of the bench, they really bolster our depth and allow us to use quite a few different combinations up front. Getting a guy like Crick or maybe even Ingram (he's a stretch since I doubt he would be effective at DE in a 3-4, but we do use a lot of over/under fronts so that position does line up as a base DE more often than not) could help us tremendously.
I think you have to at least see if Mcphee or Jones can be a starter. I mean Cody was behind Gregg until he left in FA and has turned out great, you have to at least see what you have there before deeming him a career back up.

Your right that it would weaken our depth at the position but I am not for using our first on a back up.

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An OLB really isn't that ridiculous if you ask me. I think Kruger is perfect where he is right now. (3rd down pass-rusher)
And JJ might be gone after this year.

Kindle doesn't even get activated. I think the FO really has no faith in him.
I mean JJ's main skill as you point out is attacking the LOS, he isn't an asset in pass coverage and he isn't a big run stopper. So how much would we really lose by giving those snaps to Kruger and letting Kindle compete for the position in training camp.


All of this is debatable, however, our serious needs at other positions are not debatable. Therefor I feel taking a DL or pass rusher in the first would not be a wise use of resources (if their is a viable candidate come our pick, otherwise we might go BPA)
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No doubt, our serious needs are tackle, ILB, and center. (guard if Grubbs leaves)
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I think you have to at least see if Mcphee or Jones can be a starter. I mean Cody was behind Gregg until he left in FA and has turned out great, you have to at least see what you have there before deeming him a career back up.

Your right that it would weaken our depth at the position but I am not for using our first on a back up.
Cody's situation is a bit different. He was drafted with the intent to eventually be a starter and we just didn't play him because we already had somebody that was getting the job done. I don't really disagree with your point but I don't think it's the same siutation. Being a career backup isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I guess it depends on how you look at it. As long as they're contributing to the rotation I'm happy, and I really like what they're doing now. I'm just not sure either would be as effective thrust into a starting role.

I think where our opinions differ the most is that you would look at drafting a DE early as drafting a backup where I would look at it as drafting a starter. That's something I understand completely and I would probably feel the same way if I thought we were taking a depth guy early on. Of course the DL is probably the most rotated group in football so depth there is extremely important.
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I didn't realize that Redding was a free agent after this year. That definitely changes things. Although personally I'd feel comfortable with either Art or Pernell starting, it doesn't mean the front office will want to start a largely unproven 5th round pick. Though even if he's not starter, I like Pernell as a spark plug rotational player. Regardless we'll, need depth.

The two guys I'd want if we went 5-tech early would be either Billy Winn from Boise who is a prototype 5-tech in every way and has play 34 DE, 43 DE and 43 DT. The other name might surprise people a little but Dontari Poe. He's a guy who I've been very high on since last season. People peg him as a NT right away but he is much more dynamic than he gets credit for and has actually played a lot of 5-tech and 3-tech at Memphis. Obviously I would never put him on the same level, but athletically, Poe may be the closet player I've seen to Ngata. Ngata-Cody-Poe together would be an immovable object. He would be a very intriguing option at very least.
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If we stuck to using more 3-4 sets in the future then Poe wouldn't be a bad option. If we continue to use a variety of fronts then I think we would be better served getting a player like Winn. Of course we do have the depth and we could just rotate McPhee in to use in our multiple sets if we do draft Poe.
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