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Old 11-21-2011, 01:50 PM    (permalink
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Kennedy NL MVP right guys?!
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So you're one of the fools who thinks pitchers are ineligible?

I'm the intelligent guy who knows it should have been Jose Bautista.
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Evan Grant voted put Michael Young #1 on his ballot.




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Hooray for the narrative trumping the actual best player in the AL!
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Evan Grant voted put Michael Young #1 on his ballot.



That's probably because he thought the MVP award should go to the most valuable player on a team that was able to accomplish a big feat. *shrugs*
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That's probably because he thought the MVP award should go to the most valuable player on a team that was able to accomplish a big feat. *shrugs*


Even if you're going with the stupid "best player on the best team" argument, that's Ian Kinsler.
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Even if you're going with the stupid "best player on the best team" argument, that's Ian Kinsler.
And it would have been Granderson then anyway.
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And it would have been Granderson then anyway.
Meh, the 2 time defending AL champions disagree.
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Meh, the 2 time defending AL champions disagree.
Its a regular season award.
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:40 PM    (permalink
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Its a regular season award.
True, I would still argue that the Rangers are just an overall better team than the Yankees though. Although I don't know why I'm arguing this because I don't see why being on a good team has anything to do with winning an individual award in an individual sport.
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True, I would still argue that the Rangers are just an overall better team than the Yankees though. Although I don't know why I'm arguing this because I don't see why being on a good team has anything to do with winning an individual award in an individual sport.
Because the MVP award should be given to a guy on a team that actually accomplished something specifically because of said player's contributions. Why you think it can go to a losing team is confusing to me. To what heights did he carry his team to?

The MVP award has nothing to do with who the best player in baseball is. The winner of that gets awarded in monetary value and fantasy drafts (lol).

Plus, I also think it goes beyond than just "stats" (although it carries a hefty weight of the award). I think the MVP is also the heart of the team and the leader of the team. The most valueable player to the team. There's no question that Young would get it over any other Rangers player.
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Because the MVP award should be given to a guy on a team that actually accomplished something specifically because of said player's contributions. Why you think it can go to a losing team is confusing to me. To what heights did he carry his team to?

The MVP award has nothing to do with who the best player in baseball is. The winner of that gets awarded in monetary value and fantasy drafts (lol).

Plus, I also think it goes beyond than just "stats" (although it carries a hefty weight of the award). I think the MVP is also the heart of the team and the leader of the team. The most valueable player to the team. There's no question that Young would get it over any other Rangers player.
Because Michael Young didn't "carry" his team anywhere. He helped them, but if he played for the Mariners he wouldn't have even made the playoffs. You're giving him a lot of credit for things out of his control.
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It's being reported all over Twitter who it was. Cleveland had it out for Verlander. Their other voter had JV 8th.
I don't think he had it out for Verlander just b/c he is from Cleveland. We respect Verlander a lot as Indians fans, and we usually have relatively decent success against him in the past. I think Ingraham is one of those who refuses to vote for pitchers over everyday players for MVP.


In other news, I don't know if it is going around here or not, but the Indians are "on the cusp" of resigning Grady Sizemore. I sure hope he stays healthy this year b/c we need good bats in the worst way next year if we're gonna make a run for the Central.
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I don't think he had it out for Verlander just b/c he is from Cleveland. We respect Verlander a lot as Indians fans, and we usually have relatively decent success against him in the past. I think Ingraham is one of those who refuses to vote for pitchers over everyday players for MVP.


In other news, I don't know if it is going around here or not, but the Indians are "on the cusp" of resigning Grady Sizemore. I sure hope he stays healthy this year b/c we need good bats in the worst way next year if we're gonna make a run for the Central.
I was only suggesting that in jest. The guy said he simply doesn't vote for pitchers.
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Jose Bautista should have won and Verlander should have finished second. Evan Grant is also an idiot, Michael Young isn't even a top twenty candidate (Bautista/Verlander/Ellsbury/Granderson/Pedroia/CC Sabathia/Cabby//Avila/Kinsler/Cano/Napoli/Beltre/Longoria and more) all deserved it waaaaaaaaaaaaay more. And for those of you who think it isn't the best player for MVP, for this sport is where you are completely wrong. The best player for THAT year deserves MVP in baseball, there is no goddamn team factor here.
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Jose Bautista didn't have much better of a year than Miguel Cabrera. Can you guys all shut the **** up?
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Jose Bautista didn't have much better of a year than Miguel Cabrera. Can you guys all shut the **** up?
And Verlander didn't have that much of a better year than CC.
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Jose Bautista didn't have much better of a year than Miguel Cabrera. Can you guys all shut the **** up?
He had slightly more power and played a much harder position.
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You guys are dumb *****.
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It's not the first time they've got it wrong and it won't be the last. At least they didn't give it to Michael Young for his heart and grit, that would have been hilarious.
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It's not that big of a deal, he was the second or third best choice depending on how you see it. There are certainly worse options to choose from, and I didn't expect Bautista to win anyway.
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Xio's thinking is compromised yet we are all dumb ****? Makes sense.
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Xio's thinking is compromised yet we are all dumb ****? Makes sense.
Yeah, you're ******* dumb by overrating particular stats and ignoring the fact that Bautista played on a team nowhere near contention. I don't believe being on a playoff team is a prerequisite, but you damn well better not finish 4th and be out of the race by June. Statistically, Bautista didn't even lead in the lion's share of the relevant ones.
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I was only suggesting that in jest. The guy said he simply doesn't vote for pitchers.
kidding is not allowed in this thread. don't you know that baseball is serious?!?!
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