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Old 11-22-2011, 09:23 AM    (permalink
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We got potentially 5-6 QB's with 1st-2nd round grades

We got potentially 8 teams that will need a QB

we got 2 FA that will command a starting job - Matt Flynn and Alex Smith

anyone want to take a stab.....Will Cleveland draft a QB and give up on McCoy? Will SF let Alex Smith walk? Will Elway find away to end the Tebow madness? Will any of the Juniors stay for their Sr year? match it up

Teams - Indy, Miami, Seattle, Cleveland, Denver, Kansas City, Washington, San Francisco

Rookies - Luck, Barkley, Griffin III, Jones, Tannenhill, Wilson

FA - Matt Flynn, Alex Smith
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Don't let SF lets go Alex Smith, and I'd bet on at least one (if not 2,) underclassmen QBs going back to school.

Other alternatives that haven't been mentioned:
-Brian Hoyer (Restricted Free Agent, could command a trade/signing)
-Caleb Hanie (how does he play? I believe he is a FA)
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Hanie will be a FA. So will Matt Flynn. If Hanie plays at least average, both of those guys could be interesting free agent pickups for teams in need of QBs.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:36 AM    (permalink
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We got potentially 5-6 QB's with 1st-2nd round grades

We got potentially 8 teams that will need a QB

we got 2 FA that will command a starting job - Matt Flynn and Alex Smith

anyone want to take a stab.....Will Cleveland draft a QB and give up on McCoy? Will SF let Alex Smith walk? Will Elway find away to end the Tebow madness? Will any of the Juniors stay for their Sr year? match it up

Teams - Indy, Miami, Seattle, Cleveland, Denver, Kansas City, Washington, San Francisco

Rookies - Luck, Barkley, Griffin III, Jones, Tannenhill, Wilson

FA - Matt Flynn, Alex Smith
Alex Smith - Resigns with SF.
Matt Flynn - Signs with the Redskins (someone posted this and it makes alot of sense). Drafts Tannehill in the 2nd round.

Indy - gets Luck
Miami - Matt Moore plays well to finish the season and the Dolphins view him as their guy. They resign Henne as a backup.
Seattle - Draft Robert Griffin
Cleveland - Stick with McCoy and draft a true number one wideout
Denver - Draft Landry Jones
Kansas City - Sticks with Cassel

Matt Barkley returns to school.
Tyler Wilson returns to school.
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The Dolphins passing on any of the top rookies for Moore would be a mistake on the level of extending Fitzpatrick for Buffalo.

I'm of the camp that you make the QB perform that way for no less than 2 season before making him unequivocally "your guy."
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Miami- RG3
Seattle-Flynn
Cleveland-Jones
Denver-Wilson
Kansas City-Barkley
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I have qb's going 1-2-3 in the draft. Luck, Barkley and RG3. Manning as a free agent to the Redskins.

Indy - Luck
Miami - Trade up for Barkley
KC - Trade up for RG3
Cleve - Gets McCoy some weapons and waits a year.
Washington - Danny Boy gets Manning
Seattle - Draft Landry Jones.
SF - Keeps Alex Smith
Arizona - Keeps Kevin Kolb
Denver - No idea what's going on out there

Want to see how Philly's season ends. They can't be happy with Vick's performance. If Manning hits free agency, they've got to be interested. If they absolutely tank and go 6-10. They could move up for one of the qb's. I don't think they will tank and stick with Mike Vick. But, let's see how it plays out.
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Barkley returns to school. He can be the #1 pick next year and possibly win a NC after the ban is lifted.

The Browns try to give McCoy some help on offense before they give up on him.

The Dolphins should pick a guy, however they may go second round and have them compete with Moore to at least give the guy a chance, could be a mistake.

RG3 ends up in Washington, Shany makes it happen.

KC goes second round, again to have them compete with Cassel and at least give him a chance to keep his job

Denver is playing them selves out of contention for a QB and will most likely go elsewhere in the draft much to Elway's chagrin.

Seattle will be targeting one in the first round

We know what the Colts are doing even if I think that they shouldn't

San Fran doesn't get rid of Alex Smith, maybe trades back into the top half of round 2 to get a guy waiting in the wings should Smith regress.
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You mean a guy like Colin Kaepernick?
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Cassel had a chance to keep his job. It was the 2011 season. He lost it. Now we need to replace him and I like the people that said we'd get Barkley or trade up for RG3. I'm all for both of those happening!

And I hope to god we don't sign Matt Flynn. Ugh no no no.
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wow completely forgot about him. you right sir
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Cassel had a chance to keep his job. It was the 2011 season. He lost it. Now we need to replace him and I like the people that said we'd get Barkley or trade up for RG3. I'm all for both of those happening!

And I hope to god we don't sign Matt Flynn. Ugh no no no.
But your injuries...zzz. I think that they give him at least one more season with everyone back
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McCoy is getting too much of a pass. If one of the top prospects is available at Cleveland's first round pick, they should not hesitate to select him.

It's not like McCoy has immense physical tools but is just raw and inexperienced...he was supposed to be accurate and pro ready, with a high floor but low ceiling.

He isn't even displaying the things that he supposedly has. People like to look at QB situations and say "If only he had some talent around him..." So what if he has talent around him? He's still never going to be the elite QB that Luck, Griffin, Barkley or possibly even Jones could be.

Then again, I'm a QB elitist. Have franchise tools or GTFO. As difficult as it can be to find a franchise QB, it's still easier than building the HoF defense you need to win a Superbowl without one.
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He can't go through his progressions. He locks onto one receiver and stares them down. He has average (at best) arm strength. He has horrible pocket awareness. He doesn't keep his feet moving. He's bad. One more year wouldn't do any good to anyone, especially when we're likely to have a top 5 pick and can grab a franchise guy right there.
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Cassel also has a large guarantee of something like $5 million this offseason. The Chiefs could very easily cut him before paying that.
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I'd love to restructure Cassel and keep him as a backup. As a backup he is more than adequate. He can come in if the starter goes down and not LOSE you games, but he will never win you a game with his arm. That is the main problem.

He is a tough guy, very smart, and he's a leader in that locker room. I'd love to keep him if it's possible, just not as the starter. Or hell, I'd let him start if they draft a top QB so he could sit and learn the offense for a bit.

Cassel has his uses, but starting QB isn't one of them.
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Wilson, Barkley and Jones all return. I think Jones stock has gone down a little since OU's faltered of late. I would say he was a borderline top 10 QB prospect, but now I don't know. He still has a lot of weapons to work with next year even with losing Broyles.

I also don't know where Griffin will go. I have a hard time believing someone will draft him top 5 like some people on here are thinking.

Indy - Luck, obviously
Miami - I think they are going to stick with Moore for another season, and are in no position to take a QB
Seattle - they take Griffin
Cleveland - stuck with McCoy
Denver - they ride out with Tebow
Kansas City - Cassell gets another year due to da injuriezzz
Washington - rolls the dice on Tannehil
San Fran - resigns Alex Smith

I'm really not big on Flynn, and lol at mentioning Hanie and Hoyer.
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Not any worse than Kevin Kolb or Tarvaris Jackson who both got starting jobs last offseason. At least we don't know if they are yet.
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Kolb has been terrible, Zona may be looking at QBs
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Not after what they gave up and paid him. Whisenhunt has staked his tenure on Kevin Kolb. They'll live or die (most likely die) with Kolb at QB.
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He can't go through his progressions. He locks onto one receiver and stares them down. He has average (at best) arm strength. He has horrible pocket awareness. He doesn't keep his feet moving. He's bad. One more year wouldn't do any good to anyone, especially when we're likely to have a top 5 pick and can grab a franchise guy right there.
I'm not trying to defend him as a good QB, I don't think he is that bad but he certainly isn't elite. RGIII could be that guy, you probably don't have a shot at Luck and I think that Barkley heads back to school. So you may not have a shot at "that guy" (the guy who could be elite).

Meanwhile, before Cassel went down, there was talk of you winning your division despite the injuries.

I don't think he is your guy, but for what might be lack of a better option where your picking in round one, you might be able to get a guy like Tannehill in round 2 and have him compete with Cassel for the starting job in training camp.
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McCoy is getting too much of a pass. If one of the top prospects is available at Cleveland's first round pick, they should not hesitate to select him.

It's not like McCoy has immense physical tools but is just raw and inexperienced...he was supposed to be accurate and pro ready, with a high floor but low ceiling.

He isn't even displaying the things that he supposedly has. People like to look at QB situations and say "If only he had some talent around him..." So what if he has talent around him? He's still never going to be the elite QB that Luck, Griffin, Barkley or possibly even Jones could be.

Then again, I'm a QB elitist. Have franchise tools or GTFO. As difficult as it can be to find a franchise QB, it's still easier than building the HoF defense you need to win a Superbowl without one.
You might be right, but he's also improved compared to how poorly he played at the beginning of the season. The last two games (albeit one against a poor pass defense) he's thrown better than 70% completion and 8 ypa, and better than 60% in the last four games.

The offense is also using more shotgun formations to protect him, since the line can't give him any time. So (hopefully) we are starting to cater to what works. The real test is still coming with 5 divisional games in the last 6 weeks...if he continues to make strides through that stretch, I'm inclined to give him another season with explosive weapons.
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I honestly just don't see all the quality Qb's everyone thinks are gunna be available in the top of round one all coming out, it's not in their best interest.

QB's who probably come out that are worth a top of round 1 pick:
Luck (obviously)
RG3 (has his degree)
Jones (won't want to be over analyzed by staying)

guys like Tannehill will be available late 1st early 2nd so teams that miss out may try to trade up out of their 2nd round and into the late first in order to snatch him up
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I think Jones comes out. He already holds most of the school's passing records and he isn't going to get any closer to a national title with "Big Game Bob" at Head Coach. And if he's taken out in the red zone for Bell, it won't do him any Heisman favors.

I personally don't like him that much as he reminds me a bit of Blaine Gabbert, but some team will see the franchise tools he has and take a shot in the top 10.

Luck could give all the draft fans the middle finger again by staying, but I think his best chance to win a title/Heisman was this year. He should come out.

Griffin should as well. I can't imagine his stock getting any higher than it is right now. Another should-be top 10 pick.

Tannehill, who I'm not a big fan of as a high first rounder, should still work out well and get into the first round mix, even if he's not a top 10 prospect.

Barkely really has the best case and biggest reason to stay. Even without him, there could still be 3-4 first round quality QBs.
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I'm hoping the Chiefs are in a position to draft RG3. Barkley I think goes back to school to compete for a championship, they have to have a young team so they won't really be losing anyone, you have to like their odds.
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