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I think Jones comes out. He already holds most of the school's passing records and he isn't going to get any closer to a national title with "Big Game Bob" at Head Coach. And if he's taken out in the red zone for Bell, it won't do him any Heisman favors.

I personally don't like him that much as he reminds me a bit of Blaine Gabbert, but some team will see the franchise tools he has and take a shot in the top 10.
Exactly, if he stays another year he runs a major risk of losing draft stock due to being over analyzed

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Luck could give all the draft fans the middle finger again by staying, but I think his best chance to win a title/Heisman was this year. He should come out.
Yea I really don't see him staying

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Griffin should as well. I can't imagine his stock getting any higher than it is right now. Another should-be top 10 pick.
Already has his degree and won't benefit from another year in college.
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Tannehill, who I'm not a big fan of as a high first rounder, should still work out well and get into the first round mix, even if he's not a top 10 prospect.
A team will trade up into the bottom of round one to grab him that missed out at the top of round 1

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Barkely really has the best case and biggest reason to stay. Even without him, there could still be 3-4 first round quality QBs.
Dude goes #1 next year

your looking at 2-3 prospects that will be going in the top of round one.
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2-3 is still more than most years as Luck, Griffin and Jones all have franchise QB tools in the very least.

Additionally, last year was a freak year. Every single QB prospect was had some kind of horrific flaws (Newton, Locker, Gabbert) or was overdrafted by at least a round (Ponder.)

I would take any of the three guys mentioned for this year, plus Barkley, over any of the guys from last year as prospects.

Yes Newton has been a "supastar" and Dalton has been a winner...99.9999% of people could not have seen that coming.
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2-3 is still more than most years as Luck, Griffin and Jones all have franchise QB tools in the very least.

Additionally, last year was a freak year. Every single QB prospect was had some kind of horrific flaws (Newton, Locker, Gabbert) or was overdrafted by at least a round (Ponder.)

I would take any of the three guys mentioned for this year, plus Barkley, over any of the guys from last year as prospects.

Yes Newton has been a "supastar" and Dalton has been a winner...99.9999% of people could not have seen that coming.
Right, but just like last year not everyone who needed a QB got one.

Some teams like the Chiefs or the Dolphins who have seemingly serviceable starters might end up walking away from their first overall pick with someone other than a QB because taking a reach on guys at the pick wouldn't be worth it and its not like they don't have other glaring holes.
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This might be the homer in me, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but any QB the Chiefs bring in is coming into a GREAT situation.

Bowe, Breason, Baldwin and McCluster as your WR group, Moeaki at TE, Jamaal Charles (if healthy) as your RB, and an above average offensive line. Top 5 QBs have definitely come into WORSE situations.

We do need a new offensive coordinator though. That part is huge.
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This might be the homer in me, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but any QB the Chiefs bring in is coming into a GREAT situation.

Bowe, Breason, Baldwin and McCluster, Moeaki as your wideouts, Jamaal Charles (if healthy) as your RB, and an above average offensive line. Top 5 QBs have definitely come into WORSE situations.

We do need a new offensive coordinator though. That part is huge.
Without question, it was quite possible for you guys to take the division this year. Improved QB play would undoubtedly help.
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This might be the homer in me, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but any QB the Chiefs bring in is coming into a GREAT situation.

Bowe, Breason, Baldwin and McCluster as your WR group, Moeaki at TE, Jamaal Charles (if healthy) as your RB, and an above average offensive line. Top 5 QBs have definitely come into WORSE situations.

We do need a new offensive coordinator though. That part is huge.
Do you really want to come into a coach on the hot seat though? We've seen before what can happen there.

If Haley survives this year, he will without a doubt be on the hot seat next year. Taking a first round pick rookie QB may mean that rookie ends up on the field sooner than expected as that coach tries to save his job. That QB could easily become an Alex Smith or Matt Leinart, where the coach that drafted them is shown the door right away and the new coaching staff never totally warms up to him.
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Oh, I was under the assumption that Pioli had fired Haley. If we're picking top 5 it means we lost our remaining games and ended the season 4-12, which is a possibility at this point. If that happens I don't see a way that Haley keeps his job.
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Oh, I was under the assumption that Pioli had fired Haley. If we're picking top 5 it means we lost our remaining games and ended the season 4-12, which is a possibility at this point. If that happens I don't see a way that Haley keeps his job.
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Already has his degree and won't benefit from another year in college.
If Griffin returns, he has already been accepted into law school, so yes, he could.
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If Griffin returns, he has already been accepted into law school, so yes, he could.
I was referring to not benefiting form playing in college, he's hot right now and probably won't improve that much by staying.
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People like to laud prospects for choosing education over football but seriously, enter the NFL while you're young and a hot prospect. He can retire a multi-millionaire in his 30s with even marginal NFL success and then do law school if that's what he wants.
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People like to laud prospects for choosing education over football but seriously, enter the NFL while you're young and a hot prospect. He can retire a multi-millionaire in his 30s with even marginal NFL success and then do law school if that's what he wants.
Isn;t that what Steve Young did? He went to law school, yet he 's now an analyst at ESPN. Go figure.
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Seattle passed on Carson Palmer and Kevin Kolb, my guess is they'd have no interest in Flynn. Someone like Tannehill would probably be of interest where they should be drafting.
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Yea I mean, the Idea of having something to fall back on is good, but if you have marginal success and your smart with your money, you could live off it and do some part time stuff like local radio or any # of other things to supplement your acquired wealth.

If your good you can get a cushy job at ESPN or something similar making 6 figures for doing pretty much nothing.
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Injury history, slightly below average size, average at best arm strength, coming out of a very pass wacky system.....no thanks.

At best he could become another Kevin Kolb. I see someone more like Colt Brennan though.
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Injury history, slightly below average size, average at best arm strength, coming out of a very pass wacky system.....no thanks.

At best he could become another Kevin Kolb. I see someone more like Colt Brennan though.
Living in Houston and seeing him play often I can tell you he is much better than Kolb. They arent really comparable actually, I guess you compare them because they went to same school? Totally different QBs in totally different systems.
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People like to laud prospects for choosing education over football but seriously, enter the NFL while you're young and a hot prospect. He can retire a multi-millionaire in his 30s with even marginal NFL success and then do law school if that's what he wants.
I am hoping that Barkley decides to come out after this year, this group of QBs as prospects would be head and shoulders above last years group. He does have non-monetary incentive to go back to school - get his degree, compete for a BCS bid/ possible NC and be a Heisman favorite (not sure why he isn't in the convo this year).

The early "success" of the rookie QBs this year might also sway those who are having doubts. Last year's draft illustrated how QB needy franchises are and guys were overdrafted.

Laugh if you want but I forgot about Hoyer, I think teams will look at him as a viable RFA option . Teams will like his Patriot pedigree and the fact he was groomed behind Brady. Both Hoyer and Flynn are going to help mold the pre-draft landscape.
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Living in Houston and seeing him play often I can tell you he is much better than Kolb. They arent really comparable actually, I guess you compare them because they went to same school? Totally different QBs in totally different systems.
Kolb is too good a comparison. Keenum is like a rich man's Graham Harrell.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:44 PM    (permalink
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Kolb is too good a comparison. Keenum is like a rich man's Graham Harrell.
Keenum reminds me more of Drew Brees than he does of Harrell, Kingsbury, Kolb, or BJ Symons.
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Living in Houston and seeing him play often I can tell you he is much better than Kolb. They arent really comparable actually, I guess you compare them because they went to same school? Totally different QBs in totally different systems.
No, I compared them because of the reasons listed above. And you'll note that I said AT BEST he's Kolb. He's not even that good.
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No, I compared them because of the reasons listed above. And you'll note that I said AT BEST he's Kolb. He's not even that good.
Why is Kolb better in your eyes? Because hes 6'3 versus 6'2? Because he may have a SLIGHTLY stronger arm (albeit much less accurate). Just curious, I have seen both guys play a lot, and I don't even consider it to be close, Keenum is just a lot better.

Injury history? The ACL? Didn't RG3 have the same injury?
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I think Arizona and Jacksonsville will be interested in a QB too. I could see Jax taking someone like Tannehill in the 2nd round. If Blaine Gabbert is still playing poorly by week 5 or 6 being benched.
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Tannehill is a better receiver than he is QB.
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