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Old 11-22-2011, 01:10 PM    (permalink
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I hope he is a new coach this year because SD's special teams has been pretty bad in recent years.
Yeah. Honestly, back in 2009, when Gruden was fired, I was shocked they hired Morris over him, and that's why I think he left Tampa.

I'm glad guys like Mike Mayock and even John Gruden have given him his props of being an excellent coach that can be a head coach in this league some day.
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I think a lot of teams, particularly some of the smaller market teams who could be changing coach(Arizona, Jacksonville etc), may look to college instead of going for a guy like Cowher or Gruden or a highly rated coordinator.

A lot of highly successful NFL cooridnators were recently made head coaches and in general most have failed or struggled.

Josh McDaniels
Wade Phillips
Norv Turner
Ken Wisenhunt
Todd Haley
Leslie Frazier

Just as examples.

If Gene Smith for example has a choice between Jon Gruden or someone from college I think he would be more than likely to opt for college rather than a more highly paid former HC in the NFL.
And you can add Steve Spagnuolo to that list, also. In a recent interview he said that he isn't worried about his job, but judging from the fans dressed as empty seats in the Lou he had better start to ramp up his concern level soon.

Also, I highly doubt the Rams win another game this year; don't see how Mr. Spags is going to survive a 2 - 14 season.
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Green Bay - Mike McCarthy - Safe
Detriot - Jim Schwartz - Safe
Chicago - Lovie Smith - Safe
Minnesota - Leslie Frazier - Will be given one more year

Dallas - Jason Garret - Never know but pretty safe
Washington - Mike Shanahan - Will be given one more year
Philadelphia - Andy Reid - Wont get rid of him after over a decade of stability
New York Giants - Tom Coughlin - Not sure, could be sacked cus of losses vs bad teams

New Orleans - Sean Peyton - Safe
Atlanta - Mike Smith - Safe i think
Tampa Bay - Raheem Morris - Dont think so cus of what hes building
Carolina - Ron Rivera - pretty safe just because of cam

San Francisco - Jim harbaugh - Safe
St. Louis - steve spagnolo - probably gone
Arizona - ken wisenhunt - one more year maybe
Seattle - pete carroll - safe
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indianapolis - jim caldwell - gone
Jacksonville - del rio - gone
houston - kubiak - safe
tennessee - munchak - safe

new england - belichick - safe
buffalo - gailey - pretty safe
new york jets - safe
miami - gone

oakland - safe
san diego - gone
kansas city -meh,think he'll stay
denver - safe

pittsburgh - safe
cincinnati - safe
baltimore - safe
cleveland - safe
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So all the coaches that could be fired are as followed:

Leslie Fraizer
Mike Shanahan
Tom Coughlin
Steve Spagnuolo
Ken Whisenhunt
Jim Caldwell
Tony Sparano
Norv Turner
Raheem Morris
Andy Reid
Todd Haley
Mike Shanahan
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So all the coaches that could be fired are as followed:

Leslie Fraizer
Mike Shanahan
Tom Coughlin
Steve Spagnuolo
Ken Whisenhunt
Jim Caldwell
Tony Sparano
Norv Turner
Raheem Morris
Andy Reid
Todd Haley
Mike Shanahan
IMO put Haley on the will be fired.we have to win out IMO for him to stay
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The coaches that I'm projecting will be gone at the end of the year:

Jim Caldwell

Todd Haley

Tony Sparano

Norv Turner
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^^^

Agree with ROP. If I were a team like the Dolphins or Chargers I'd look to bring in a proven veteran coach like Jim Fassel or Brian Billick if Bill Cowher isn't interested.

The only coordinator I'd consider hiring is Mike Zimmer, which is who I think the Colts should go after, or Pete Carmichael Jr, whose offensive scheme would fit the Chiefs well if they had a competent QB.
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Agree with ROP. If I were a team like the Dolphins or Chargers I'd look to bring in a proven veteran coach like Jim Fassel or Brian Billick if Bill Cowher isn't interested.

The only coordinator I'd consider hiring is Mike Zimmer, which is who I think the Colts should go after, or Pete Carmichael Jr, whose offensive scheme would fit the Chiefs well if they had a competent QB.
There is a reason Jim Fassel hasn't been offered a head coaching job in the NFL in almost 10 years. Not the time to bring him back now.
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The coaches that I'm projecting will be gone at the end of the year:

Jim Caldwell

Todd Haley

Tony Sparano

Norv Turner
I think you should consider adding Del Rio to that list. Jacksonville has been terrible offensively for most of his tenure there. I don't care that he's just drafted a "franchise" QB. He's not getting the job done on a consistent basis, and without consistency you're not going anywhere.
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There is a reason Jim Fassel hasn't been offered a head coaching job in the NFL in almost 10 years. Not the time to bring him back now.
Could say the same about Brian Billick...never did understand why a guy that won a SB couldn't score a HC gig again.

Hard to fathom...

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Could say the same about Brian Billick...never did understand why a guy that one a SB couldn't score a HC gig again.

Hard to fathom...
He ran our franchise like a country club atmosphere. If you want a team where the players do whatever they want, then by all means that team should hire fasshole! And if your RB has a fumbling issue, don't ask him to solve the problem.
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Turner and Sparano are obvious....but I would think it unfair to fire Haley and Caldwell considering their lousy seasons have a lot to do with injuries. Both of those coaches won their divisions last season. Colts win at least ten games with a healthy Manning.
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What about Andy Reid?
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I don't disagree at all, but losing is losing. Pioli is in a weird position here, because if he wanted to he could justify either keeping (We had a ton of injuries, Todd is the right guy for this job etc) or firing (Losing as many games as we did how we did is just not acceptable) Todd at any moment. He could literally go either way and justify it.
I want Todd Haley to keep his job. Outside of the way they handled the pre-season not working, the only thing wrong with the team from a coaching standpoint is the offensive playbook. The past couple seasons, they've had to do some things and scheme around not having a lot of talent. Now they have a lot of talent, but the playbook hasn't evolved to reflect that.

I cut the coaching staff some slack because they really didn't have that talent until Baldwin showed up 5-6 weeks into the season and they really didn't know what they had until he got on the field. But next year...holy crap. Baldwin, Bowe, Breaston, Moeaki, Charles... They need to put an offensive system in place that can take advantage of their superior talent.
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And they need a QB who can execute the offense. It's too bad we don't have one of those.
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I almost feel like getting Orton was Pioli's subtle way of putting Haley on even hotter seat.Pioli obviously feels Orton can help win games.(I disagree but what's done is done) so if they don't show signs of life offensively then Haley is gone
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Turner and Sparano are obvious....but I would think it unfair to fire Haley and Caldwell considering their lousy seasons have a lot to do with injuries. Both of those coaches won their divisions last season. Colts win at least ten games with a healthy Manning.
Turner being drummed out is NOT an obvious move, at least not as long as the Spanos/AJ Smith regime is in place.

I'm no Norv apologist & have long said that I believe he's far more suited to be an OC than HC but .....

Look at what has happened to the talent pool in SD. No longer can it honestly be stated that this club has one of the most-talented rosters in the NFL. Smith & Co. have allowed players to walk with no compensation, failed miserably on various draft picks, ignored positions of need, ignored drafting players to groom for key positions as the current players aged/declined, traded away picks to over-reach for suspect talent, & in general allowed their few hits on undrafted guys allow their egos to overload their asses.

Sure, Norv may DESERVE to be let go, but it's questionable that he will be & will accomplish little unless there are changes higher up in the FO to go along with it. Frankly, I'd like to see the team sold to someone who is AT LEAST as interested in winning a championship as turning a profit.

Norv is the easy scapegoat & he certainly deserves criticism. But he's not the one who has run this team into the ground. Arrogance & idiocy by the FO has accomplished that feat.
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[quote=SuperPacker;2760883]So all the coaches that could be fired are as followed:

Leslie Fraizer - should get one more year
Mike Shanahan - should get one more year
Tom Coughlin - should get one more year unless the Giants collapse again down the stretch
Steve Spagnuolo - gone
Ken Whisenhunt - should get one more year
Jim Caldwell - gone
Tony Sparano - might have saved his job with a strong finish
Norv Turner - gone along with the GM, Smith
Raheem Morris - sasfe
Andy Reid - will get one more year
Todd Haley - should get one more year

Agree with your assessment except maybe Sparano who might have just saved hisa job for another year.
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Reid needs to go, 100%. The whole front office should really be turned over, and it would be if Reid goes, he has as much power as most of them. I'm not gonna start listing the reasons this franchise needs to turn over but this was pretty much the all-in year and we're going to finish under .500. The only off-season acquisitions we'll have past this bust of a season are Nnamdi and Babin and they can't play in the same scheme. Babin will probably end up an aging, over-paid 3rd DE behind Cole and Graham in a scheme that doesn't rotate as often sooner than later.

DeSean Jackson is gone and the offense is going to have to completely change and basically run 100% through McCoy, Reid is incapable of doing that.

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Wouldnt mind that at all. Doubt we will be able to get him though unless he falls in love with the other QB's not named Luck.
He did consider terell Pryor to be a legit QB...
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My absolutes on who will be fired after this year:

Andy Reid
Norv Turner
Tony Sparano (although the team is playing well now)
Steve Spagnuolo
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My absolutes on who will be fired after this year:

Andy Reid
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Tony Sparano (although the team is playing well now)
Steve Spagnuolo
I'd add Jim Caldwell, Jack Del Rio, and Todd Haley on there as well. Tom Coughlin is a candidate if the Giants miss the playoffs (if they lose tonight against the Saints, they'll be the eighth seed as of now.)
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I'd add Jim Caldwell, Jack Del Rio, and Todd Haley on there as well. Tom Coughlin is a candidate if the Giants miss the playoffs (if they lose tonight against the Saints, they'll be the eighth seed as of now.)
I forgot about Jim Caldwell. Guess he's pretty forgettable though.
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I'm far from plugged into the situation, but I think Haley survives.
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