Brian Billick Likes Gabbert - Page 5

the natural · 12-20-2011, 07:09 PM

He put a 50 yard rope in Marcedes Lewis' hands that game, I think. If Lewis didn't run like an offensive tackle he would have taken it another 40. Marcedes mentioned at the press conference that Gabbert throws the hardest ball he has caught. "Cuts through the wind and tails downwards" were his words, when asked why he bobbled so many of Gabbert's passes. Last game he coughed one up that was in his hands for an interception.

prock · 12-20-2011, 07:18 PM

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As I recall back then, I was the only guy on the board defending Tim Tebow, and the only one who thought 2011 was a great draft class for QBs. How those arguments turning out? :)

Poorly for you.

the natural · 12-20-2011, 07:25 PM

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Poorly for you.

Right. Tebow has been the hottest QB in the league in the second half of the season, and the 2011 QB draft class will set all sorts of rookie records.

prock · 12-20-2011, 07:27 PM

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Right. Tebow has been the hottest QB in the league in the second half of the season, and the 2011 QB draft class will set all sorts of rookie records.

Do you watch football?

the natural · 12-20-2011, 07:53 PM

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Do you watch football?

Do you come out of the bomb proof bunker occasionally? Next time you do, pick up a newspaper or turn on a television set.

Brothgar · 12-20-2011, 08:01 PM

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Do you come out of the bomb proof bunker occasionally? Next time you do, pick up a newspaper or turn on a television set.

In what way has Tebow been successful? Statistically the worst QB who didn't start the season a backup (Gabbert may be worse lol) are you gonna throw one good drive a game at us? JUST WINZ GAIMZZZ? Give me a break.

the natural · 12-20-2011, 08:11 PM

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In what way has Tebow been successful? Statistically the worst QB who didn't start the season a backup (Gabbert may be worse lol) are you gonna throw one good drive a game at us? JUST WINZ GAIMZZZ? Give me a break.

Wtf you babbling about? Tebow is tied for the best winning percentage, and has a better passer rating than 17 quarterbacks who started for their teams at the beginning of the season.

Brothgar · 12-20-2011, 08:20 PM

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Wtf you babbling about? Tebow is tied for the best winning percentage, and has a better passer rating than 17 quarterbacks who started for their teams at the beginning of the season.

QB rating is the most useless statistic of them all. At one point this year Curtis Painter had the 9th QB Rating of all starting QBs and winning percentage is a team achievement not a QB achievement anyone who really understands football knows that. Tim Tebow having a great passer rating means didily poo.

njx9 · 12-20-2011, 08:22 PM

edit: no no no, bad njx. don't feed trolls. just laugh.

the natural · 12-20-2011, 08:31 PM

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QB rating is the most useless statistic of them all. At one point this year Curtis Painter had the 9th QB Rating of all starting QBs and winning percentage is a team achievement not a QB achievement anyone who really understands football knows that. Tim Tebow having a great passer rating means didily poo.

Yeah, well what is Painter's passer rating now? And what is his sorry ass nailed to because of that? If you don't like won/loss or passing stats, maybe we look at rushing records, instead? Would you prefer that?

the natural · 12-20-2011, 08:36 PM

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edit: no no no, bad njx. don't feed trolls. just laugh.

Good plan, you don't want to diminish your reputation as the Headless Moderator.

Brothgar · 12-20-2011, 08:37 PM

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Yeah, well what is Painter's passer rating now? And what is his sorry ass nailed to because of that? If you don't like won/loss or passing stats, maybe we look at rushing records, instead? Would you prefer that?

Passing stats? You mean like a sub 50% completion percentage? I have no trouble looking at passing stats just not QB rating. Rushing records would be great if he was a running back like he is suppose to be.

WCH · 12-20-2011, 09:12 PM

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Tebow is tied for the best winning percentage, and has a better passer rating than 17 quarterbacks who started for their teams at the beginning of the season.

Crap like this is why I can't defend Tebow. I'm actually pretty high on him as a prospect, but when his fans trot this crap out....

Tied for the best winning percentage??? I suppose that if we ignore the loss to the Lions because it was in the "first half" of the season, that's technically true. But Rodgers is 13-1. He went more than a calendar year without a loss and was the QB for the second longest win-streak in NFL history. He won a Super Bowl during that streak, as well.

Your statement that "Tebow is tied for the best winning percentage" is disingenuous, at best.

the natural · 12-20-2011, 10:50 PM

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Crap like this is why I can't defend Tebow. I'm actually pretty high on him as a prospect, but when his fans trot this crap out....

Tied for the best winning percentage??? I suppose that if we ignore the loss to the Lions because it was in the "first half" of the season, that's technically true. But Rodgers is 13-1. He went more than a calendar year without a loss and was the QB for the second longest win-streak in NFL history. He won a Super Bowl during that streak, as well.

Your statement that "Tebow is tied for the best winning percentage" is disingenuous, at best.

I was talking second half of the season. Tebow has 1 loss. So does Rodgers, and probably a couple others.

A Perfect Score · 12-20-2011, 11:19 PM

Yeah, let's all trust Brian Billick's opinions on QBs...

(Pssst...That's what I did and all I got was screwed).

njx9 · 12-21-2011, 08:20 AM

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Yeah, let's all trust Brian Billick's opinions on QBs...

(Pssst...That's what I did and all I got was screwed).

at least you weren't ERU, with an undying devotion to kyle boller. ... or were you?

Ravens1991 · 12-21-2011, 08:25 AM

That was ERU and BigDawg. It would get pretty heated about him Vs. McNair

KLima878 · 12-21-2011, 08:33 AM

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Here, despite having a perfectly clean pocket to step into, he scrambles to the right....right into a Lamarr Woodley sack.

This ball dies at a wide open Marcedes Lewis' feet because Blaine is too big of a ***** to step into his ******* throws.

I have no words.

a single picture doesnt show the whole story. There was a picture of this play here before but cant seem to find it. It cleary showed a WR open over the middle and what looked like Gabbert missing him, however the video showed he had zero time.

Not sure if I can post links or not (fast forward to 2:50)

http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery...f-0f713db9b4bf

No I agree that Gabbert does have bad pocket precence and probably creates sacks on his own but what rookie doesn't? This whole afraid to get hit thing is blown way out of proprtion.

prock · 12-21-2011, 08:37 AM

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a single picture doesnt show the whole story. There was a picture of this play here before but cant seem to find it. It cleary showed a WR open over the middle and what looked like Gabbert missing him, however the video showed he had zero time.

Not sure if I can post links or not (fast forward to 2:50)

http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery...f-0f713db9b4bf

No I agree that Gabbert does have bad pocket precence and probably creates sacks on his own but what rookie doesn't? This whole afraid to get hit thing is blown way out of proprtion.

If you watched him at Mizzou you noticed he has had these problems in college too. It isn't him being a rookie, it's him being terrible.

EDIT - actually watched your video, he had a clean pocket, he stepped to the right into Abraham.

KLima878 · 12-21-2011, 08:46 AM

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If you watched him at Mizzou you noticed he has had these problems in college too. It isn't him being a rookie, it's him being terrible.

EDIT - actually watched your video, he had a clean pocket, he stepped to the right into Abraham.

I did watch the video and listen to Lageman he explains it pretty well. this isn't a video game where you can just hit a button and ball flies out. He had no where to step. Maybe he won't develop but to give the kid some time.

prock · 12-21-2011, 08:50 AM

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I did watch the video and listen to Lageman he explains it pretty well. this isn't a video game where you can just hit a button and ball flies out. He had no where to step. Maybe he won't develop but to give the kid some time.

He had a pocket to step in. I don't know what you are looking at. As soon as he finished his drop he panicked and ran away instead of stepping up into the pocket that he had.

WCH · 12-21-2011, 08:52 AM

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I was talking second half of the season. Tebow has 1 loss. So does Rodgers, and probably a couple others.

I know what you were talking about. I'm saying it's disingenuous, at best, to cut off most of the available dataset and then say "hey, look, he's the hottest QB in the NFL!" There's a significant sample-size issue here. The first half of the season Ryan Fitzpatrick looked like he didn't suck. Then we found out that he did, in fact, suck. Sample-size matters, and it's not like Tebow has even looked particularly good in this limited sample. Trent Dilfer once won something like 17 games in a row despite being cut by the Ravens during his "streak." Nobody thinks his teams were winning because of him.

Even if we accept the insane notion of throwing out the first-half of the season, not to mention the second half of last season, Tebow still isn't the "hottest" Quarterback in the NFL. Rodgers, Brees, and Brady have been more effective QBs than Tebow during the second half of the season, even if they have one loss each.

But nobody would accept the idea that the first half of the season should be disregarded, in the first place.

So no, Tebow is not the "hottest" QB in the NFL right now. That's crazy talk. It's just not the case. He's not playing better than Rodgers, Brady, or Brees. He's probably not playing better than a lot of other guys either. But anybody who watches football would agree that he's not playing on the same level as Rodgers, Brady, or Brees.

KLima878 · 12-21-2011, 09:22 AM

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He had a pocket to step in. I don't know what you are looking at. As soon as he finished his drop he panicked and ran away instead of stepping up into the pocket that he had.

ok, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this since your mind is already made up even with video proof so lets just agree to disagree

prock · 12-21-2011, 09:24 AM

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ok, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this since your mind is already made up even with video proof so lets just agree to disagree

The issue here is your video proof isn't proof. In fact, it's proof of my side. But throw your all your faith into some no-name analyst.

KLima878 · 12-21-2011, 09:30 AM

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The issue here is your video proof isn't proof. In fact, it's proof of my side. But throw your all your faith into some no-name analyst.

No name analyst who as played football and breaks down film. He's not on ESPN or NFL network so he must not know what he's talking about.

I'm not saying you are wrong when it come to him a preasure. I just think it this situation/play he didnt have a chance to step up and even plant his foot