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Old 12-22-2011, 03:34 PM    (permalink
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damn that sucks for the skins. now its really rg3 or bust unless we unloaded a ton for luck which i doubt.
i actually think that Ryan Tannehill's best fit is in Washington with Shannahan. RGIII will probably be long gone by the time Washington picks. Heck, I could see Washington winning at least one more game this year.
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damn that sucks for the skins. now its really rg3 or bust unless we unloaded a ton for luck which i doubt.
Redskins face the Vikings and Eagles to close out the season. They could at least finish 6-10 which would have them picking behind the Vikings, Rams, Browns, Jaguars, Dolphins and Bills.

Welcome to the Ryan Tannehill Era Redskins.
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RG3 will be a top 3 pick.
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Redskins face the Vikings and Eagles to close out the season. They could at least finish 6-10 which would have them picking behind the Vikings, Rams, Browns, Jaguars, Dolphins and Bills.

Welcome to the Ryan Tannehill Era Redskins.
we wont beat the eagles. this weekends game against the vikings will really go a long way. if we lose out then we probably only have the browns to worry about. we should pick ahead of the bills and dolphins based on strength of schedule but if we beat the vikings then we are looking at picking in the 8-10 range. i definitely could see tannehill in rd 2 or maybe a trade into the late first but not in the top 10 even with barkley going back to school. wed package and move up for rg3 before we took tannehill in the top 10. pretty sure about that.
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So, we're just gonna sit up here and act like Barkley is no different than Mark Sanchez (skill wise)...

Ask yourself, would you draft Mark Sanchez higher than the 2nd round?

Be honest..
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So, we're just gonna sit up here and act like Barkley is no different than Mark Sanchez (skill wise)...

Ask yourself, would you draft Mark Sanchez higher than the 2nd round?

Be honest..
*whistles*

I will say, though, that Barkley's further along in the "craft" part of playing QB. Adjustments at the line, manipulating coverages with pump fakes and the like, and speeding up his game in the RZ.

To answer your question, a lot of people here really liked Sanchez. I think the word "charisma" was used about 4.5 billion times.

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So, we're just gonna sit up here and act like Barkley is no different than Mark Sanchez (skill wise)...

Ask yourself, would you draft Mark Sanchez higher than the 2nd round?

Be honest..
I think Matt Barkley is way better than Sanchez. That's all I'll say.
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A lot of people here really liked Sanchez. That's all I'll say.
LOL! No lie.. I did too..but not as a 1st rounder. I would honestly draft Barkley in Round 2. Right now he doesn't have the wow factor nor elite talent. PLUS he crumbles in the clutch. AND their offense throws a lot of 5 yard and shorter passes.. If his deep ball improves and he becomes more decisive in the pocket...and takes more chances, then I'll move him into the latter stages of round 1. But right now, he's in the best possible situation for a college QB (as far as weapons is concerned)
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I think Matt Barkley is way better than Sanchez. That's all I'll say.
How so? Please 'splain
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LOL as a 2nd rounder. Barkley was/is a sure fire top 5 pick.

Also, nobody should really be surprised with him staying at SC.
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LOL as a 2nd rounder. Barkley was/is a sure fire top 5 pick.

Also, nobody should really be surprised with him staying at SC.
Top 5?? Do you honestly see Top 5 Talent?
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What does their football schedule look like next year? How strong will oregon be?
Looks soft to me and the Oregon game is in L.A., so the stage is set for a big year.
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Second round for Barkley? What makes other first round quarterbacks better than him as a prospect? Would you take Landry Jones round 1? RGIII? Tannehill? What about last year with any of the first rounders besides Newton?
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Honestly would have had him as my #4 QB this year. I like him, just don't love him.
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Top 5?? Do you honestly see Top 5 Talent?
People keep comparing him to Eli Manning. I keep saying I see Matt Hasselback (if things break right for him).

That's certainly not bad, Hasselback had a very good career. He was a top 10-ish QB for the prime of his career. However, he got excellent development from Holmgren and was never really the foundation for that offense.

And again, that's if things break right for him. I don't see a foundation player when I watch him. I see a guy who can be a very nice complimentary piece to a good offense with a strong running game.
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Second round for Barkley? What makes other first round quarterbacks better than him as a prospect? Would you take Landry Jones round 1? RGIII? Tannehill? What about last year with any of the first rounders besides Newton?
YOU are better than Landry Jones right now...And I haven't seen you play.

I would only take Luck and RG3 as 1st round prospects.. but Barkley, Weeden, Foles, Tannehill, Moore (yep, THAT Moore - I love a QB that performs well in clutch situations) are 2nd round guys imho.

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People keep comparing him to Eli Manning. I keep saying I see Matt Hasselback (if things break right for him).

That's certainly not bad, Hasselback had a very good career. He was a top 10-ish QB for the prime of his career. However, he got excellent development from Holmgren and was never really the foundation for that offense.

And again, that's if things break right for him. I don't see a foundation player when I watch him. I see a guy who can be a very nice complimentary piece to a good offense with a strong running game.
Dude.. I'd buy you a beer if your were closer to NYC.. THIS is what I've been saying too.. Barkley is a good player, but not Top 5.. And yep, Hasselbeck wasn't bad at all
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Second round for Barkley? What makes other first round quarterbacks better than him as a prospect? Would you take Landry Jones round 1? RGIII? Tannehill? What about last year with any of the first rounders besides Newton?
I wouldn't have even considered it. I flat-out hated Gabbert and Locker as first-round prospects (although Locker, I'll admit, is showing a lot of promise this season). I had them as third round, developmental projects.

I also like the Hasselback comparison for Barkley. That's not a criticism, per se. I would use a top-10 pick on a player if I was convinced that he would be a Hasselbeck-level QB. He's a three-time Pro Bowler who took a team to the Super Bowl.

I like Barkley, I just don't see him being a top-5 QB in the NFL.

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YOU are better than Landry Jones right now...And I haven't seen you play.

I would only take Luck and RG3 as 1st round prospects.. but Barkley, Weeden, Foles, Tannehill, Moore (yep, THAT Moore - I love a QB that performs well in clutch situations) are 2nd round guys imho.

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You would prefer the 28 year old rookie and the noodle arm low ceiling Kellen Moore over high potential guys like Foles and Tannehill?
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You would prefer the 28 year old rookie and the noodle arm low ceiling Kellen Moore over high potential guys like Foles and Tannehill?
Really questioning his knowledge right now.
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RGIII gonna get PAIDDDDD.

Top 10 pick for sure now.
Was there any ever doubt about this? He would of probably been the 2nd QB taken regardless.
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Was there any ever doubt about this? He would of probably been the 2nd QB taken regardless.
I think you just contradicted yourself o_O
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Some thoughts on Barkley's decision:

* From a draft position and financial perspective it was a mistake. It will be very difficult for Barkley to have a better season than he just had. Just look at his stats and the way USC closed out their season. The fact that some were even debating whether Barkley was a better prospect than Andrew Luck, which is ludicrous, speaks volumes about how his stock plateaued.

* Let's say for arguments sake that Barkley would have been the #5 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. If he goes #1 overall in the 2013 NFL Draft it will net him an extra $2.5 million. However, if he slips to #10 overall it will cost him $7.5 million. Also, Barkley is wasting a year of earning potential and it's not like football players get to play for decades (unless you are Brett Favre).

* Barkley's game is ripe to be picked apart and overanalyzed. People are going to point out his lack of top physical tools and say he is a product of all the talent around him (best set of wideouts in the country, etc). Could be a Matt Leinart situation.

* Barkley isn't going to have the buzz a year from now. A was a big reason why Mark Sanchez was selected as early as he was. Sanchez struck while the iron was hot, Barkley did not.

* I know Robert Griffin III wants to return to school, but this is going to be too good of an opportunity to pass up in my opinion. Landry Jones may have to re-think his decision as well. This could also be huge for Ryan Tannehill.

* Fans of the Redskins, Dolphins, Browns and Seahawks should be very concerned.
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You would prefer the 28 year old rookie and the noodle arm low ceiling Kellen Moore over high potential guys like Foles and Tannehill?
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Really questioning his knowledge right now.
Yep, and I stand by it.. Good QBs don't lose (Moore) and as far as Weeden, you have to like his skill set over Foles and Tannehill. Foles is Kyle Orton-type decent. Tannehill took a HUGE drop in my opinion this year because of how he performed in pressure situations during big games.

So, yep, I'll take Noodle-Arm Kellen Moore.. I'll put him in a system that suits his skill set. Straight West Coast offense. Classic West Coast too. I wouldn't have him in a Spread-type West Coast (Colt McCoy). At least I know he wouldn't crumble under pressure and wouldn't make dumb decisions with the football. Moore has OUTSTANDING football acumen & I.Q. and uses it in games... not chalkboard acumen & I.Q. like Gabbert & Ponder.

And honestly, the only thing knocking Weeden is his age as a rookie (although it shouldn't).
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