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Old 04-05-2007, 08:35 PM    (permalink
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3 first rounders would be great, but I would rather have Samuel and 2 first rounders. I have a feeling we would ask for a lot more than 1 first rounder, whether or not that is justified is debatable.
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i'd give the ravens 1st rounder for asante samuel if we had the cap room to sign him to a long term deal.
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Old 04-05-2007, 09:49 PM    (permalink
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I'm assuming you meant 10 times the corner... because, if you didn't, you're going to look like a jackass real soon.
I think he was talking about what the Pats were asking for Branch and was wondering what they would ask for Samuel.
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I think he was talking about what the Pats were asking for Branch and was wondering what they would ask for Samuel.
No, he's definitely talking about the players in this draft... I just hope that he doesn't think that Samuel is better than Calvin Johnson projects to be.
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Old 04-05-2007, 10:26 PM    (permalink
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about the corners...
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Bly just signed a 5 yr deal with Denver, he's smiling now......
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No, he's definitely talking about the players in this draft... I just hope that he doesn't think that Samuel is better than Calvin Johnson projects to be.
Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about that he called Samuel a reciever. I must say though, I agree with you on this one haha.
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http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20...4136-1222r.htm

I wouldn't be opposed to something that looked like:

Carlos Rogers or Shawn Springs + #6

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Asante Samuel and #24 or 28

The likely of the options would be Springs and the 24, though I think I would personally prefer the opposite on both...
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I will say this: dealing for Samuel makes more sense than dealing for Briggs for the Redskins. I am somewhat concerned as to how good a fit Asante Samuel is relative to how Gregg's used corners before, but Gregg is flexible. That said, I'm not gung ho, from the Redskins perspective, about dealing for Asante.

There's no way I see the Skins dealing Rogers in a deal. Springs is much more available, and has been rumored in multiple scenarios this offseason (including scenarios to help them move up).
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He came up empty on trading for Dre Bly. He came up empty -- as of now -- on trading for Lance Briggs. But don't expect Redskins owner Dan Snyder to stop his pursuit of making a big move before this month's NFL Draft.
The latest possible target: New England cornerback Asante Samuel.

Samuel, who had 12 interceptions last season, is like Briggs in that he is young (26) and disgruntled (wants a long-term deal). Like Briggs, Samuels has been named his team's franchise player.
In his first public comments since being taken off the market, Samuel told the NFL Network: "This is to let everybody know that I'm not happy anymore and things are not going well. At first I thought it was going well, but it's not.
"We have a difference of opinion in my value. They think I'm worth one price and the other teams think I'm worth a lot more. If a long-term deal can't be done at fair numbers for me and New England, then I want to be traded."
Samuel also claimed he is prepared to sit out all or a portion of the season.
"If it's best for me and my family," he said, "I will do that. Absolutely."
Signing Samuel to an offer sheet would cost any team two first-round draft picks if New England doesn't match. The Pats already have two first-round picks this year -- their own and Seattle's, acquired in the Deion Branch deal.
Enter the Redskins.
If the Patriots take their call, the Redskins could offer an intriguing package for Samuel. Any discussion would have to start with Shawn Springs, the sixth overall pick and likely a mid-round pick. And then the Redskins could give Samuel a giant contract that
would further complicate the Redskins' salary cap issues.
The franchise salary for a cornerback in 2007 is $7.79 million. It will be interesting to see what the Patriots do. They played hard-ball with Branch last year and when he refused to report to training camp, he was traded to Seattle. But elite cornerbacks are harder to replace than good receivers.
My guess is that this was just a frustrated player popping off. He later said in the NFL Network story, "We want to get something done and my hope is we will." Although the Redskins will kick the tires, I don't think New England will trade Samuel.
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Snyder will not stop until that franchise is destroyed by a complete roster of over-paid known-names with fat contracts. I feel bad for all you 'Skins fans. Plus, crap...if the Patriots walk out of this with not only their 24th and 28th picks, but the 6th pick too.....

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The Washington Post suggests that it would be the #6, Springs and a late round pick for Samuel alone. If that's the case, what are we waiting for?
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'SKINS TO MAKE A PLAY FOR SAMUEL?

Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins can't help himself. Every offseason, he is compelled to make a big splash, in some way.

He didn't do it in free agency this year, for a change. So with a top-ten pick burning a hole in his draft board and Bears linebacker Lance Briggs (whom the 'Skins don't really need) not available via a flip-flip of first round picks, Snyder apparently will sniff around Pats cornerback Asante Samuel (whom the 'Skins don't really need).

Ryan O'Halloran of the Washington Times reports that the Redskins are expected to call the Patriots regarding Samuel, a free agent who has been slapped with the franchise tag.

The Redskins currently have cornerbacks Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, and David Macklin under contract. Even if they trade or cut Springs, they don't need Samuel.

But Snyder can't help himself. He collects big-name players like Florio Jr. hoards McFarlane NFL figures, without regard to the manner in which his collection will interact on the field or in the locker room.

In hindsight, then, the decision of Samuel to recently go public with his dissatisfaction might have been a stroke of genius. With the Bears telling the Redskins that a flip-flop of first-round picks won't happen, the 'Skins need to find someone else to take the sixth overall pick off of their hands. And Samuel's comments apparently have caught Snyder's ear.

So for the No. 28 pick and Samuel, the Pats possibly could have the No. 6 overall pick. Heck, maybe they can also get the 'Skins to throw in Springs.

The question, then, is whether the Pats even want the No. 6 pick. If they do, the next question is whether the Patriots would try to package the No. 6 selection with the No. 24 pick (which they got from the Seahawks for Deion Branch) in an effort to move up to get once-in-a-generation receiver Calvin Johnson.
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This is already in the Asante Samuel thread.
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I'm all for it. According to that we would get Springs and the #6 straight up for Asante. I am all for it. Let's get it done. We can take Patrick Willis at #6, hope for Griffen, Nelson or Meriweather at #24 and maybe Aaron Ross at #28. Springs may not be as good as Samuel, but he is certainly an above average corner, and Hobbs has been solid and is getting better, and then we'd be adding Ross.

It's still a pipe dream at this point, so we'll see...
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I'm all for it. According to that we would get Springs and the #6 straight up for Asante. I am all for it. Let's get it done. We can take Patrick Willis at #6, hope for Griffen, Nelson or Meriweather at #24 and maybe Aaron Ross at #28. Springs may not be as good as Samuel, but he is certainly an above average corner, and Hobbs has been solid and is getting better, and then we'd be adding Ross.

It's still a pipe dream at this point, so we'll see...
if we trade Asante it will never be for pick 6 and Springs..

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Samuel + 24 or 28 for Pick 6 and Springs
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That #6 pick is just burning a hole in Snyder's pocket. He is just itching to get rid of it.
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I'm am much more in favor of this trade, than I ever was towards the Lance Briggs deal.
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if we trade Asante it will never be for pick 6 and Springs..

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Samuel + 24 or 28 for Pick 6 and Springs
That's what I would think, I am just going by the article.

Even if that's the case, I will take a combination of Shawn Springs and Patrick Willis or Laron Landry at #6 over Asante Samuel and whoever we get at #28 any day of the week...
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Being a Colts fan, the idea of the Pats moving up and getting CJ....

Let's just say I'd rather not talk about that.
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I would hesitate on that deal. Shawn Springs was a really good corner in his day, but that day is passing him over real fast. We need some kind of return other than picks for Samuel, unless it's a ridiculous deal. Still, brining Springs here reminds me way to much of brining Duane Starks in. Good enough history to expect him to contribute...but has age working against him. And while I love Ellis Hobbs...I'm just not confident in him shutting down a teams best receiver as I am with Samuel. Still...I would do it...I would think very hard before letting him go. If we can get Carlos Rogers, which I don't think we could, I would pull the trigger without thinking twice.
For those who look at Asante's numbers, don't just think of him as an interception guy. He is a legitimate top 10 corner, and is probably in the top 5 or 6. Very good cover guy, good in run support, and while defensive players aren't known for being big play guys...in key situations Asante always seemed to break it up or pick it off. Sad to see him go if we can't work something out. It was really fun to watch mature into the player he is.
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Duane Starks wasn't even close to being what Shawn Springs is now when he came over. I thought that was a bad deal from the get-go.
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Are we talking about the same Skins here?
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I doubt the skins would deal for Samuel, fact is any time a player demands a trade the skins automatically come up as a possible destination.

While it is a well known fact that the skins are trying to trade out of the 6th spot, IMO, the Briggs trade would make more sense.

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Snyder will not stop until that franchise is destroyed by a complete roster of over-paid known-names with fat contracts. I feel bad for all you 'Skins fans. Plus, crap...if the Patriots walk out of this with not only their 24th and 28th picks, but the 6th pick too.....

Will people like you ever stop? Where is the quoted source? Where is the sentence saying the Redskins have contacted Samuel?

Ryan O' Halloran is known for this type of idle speculation. People like you ignore the fact that we just added another DB yesterday. We signed Fred Smoot weeks ago. The Redskins are fair game because the media know that people like you will always bite.
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