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Old 04-06-2007, 05:47 PM    (permalink
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I wouldn't be surprised if, in an ironic twist of fate, he becomes a better quarterback because of his time in Houston. After having to adjust to having 2 seconds in the pocket to find his receiver and throw him the ball, having closer to the league-average is going to seem like an eternity. Maybe he learned it the hard way, but I bet he knows how to think fast, now. If he gets his confidence back, I think he'll be a top 10 QB in the league.
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I still think Carr is alright and i think he'll be able to do something in Carolina. Good move in my opinion.
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Hopefully Fox starts Carr.

Then the inevitable suckage of Carr will resurface, and the Panthers will have a horrible season.

The Panthers will in turn fire John Fox.

And we'll hire him to replace Coughlin.

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The Panthers will in turn fire John Fox.

And we'll hire him to replace Coughlin.

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I did exaggerate it, my bad. But he did join Mark Rypien (1998) as the only players in league annals to throw at least two touchdown passes in each of his first three appearances. So he tied it, sorry again.
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Hopefully Fox starts Carr.

Then the inevitable suckage of Carr will resurface, and the Panthers will have a horrible season.

The Panthers will in turn fire John Fox.

And we'll hire him to replace Coughlin.

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I don't even like the Giants and I want this to happen. There are very few people I hate more than Tom Coughlin.
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I think this is a great move by Carolina. Carolina has a better O-line than Houston and they also look to keep their line together. Carr should do very well behind them and as the future of the franchise.
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Nice pickup by Carolina. Carr needed a change of scenery and he'll have low expectations in Carolina. Groom him for a year or two and then toss him in there once Delhomme is finished. There isn't really much to lose with a pickup like this.
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*shrug* vick made the playoffs. carr hasn't even sniffed 8-8.
oh yeah , the falcons played with eleven vicks in o# and eleven in d# , yeah it was vicks playoffrun ....
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Is this really a surprise? My answer is no.
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Good pickup. If Carr does well, than Offensive Linemen everywhere are going to be sniffing the bucks. I mean if he suddenly were to come a pro bowler it would basically scream how important the OL really is.

Though him suddenly being a pro bowler could just as easily be explained by his moving from the AFC to the NFC, where offense came and died a couple of years ago.
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well one could do worse than having steve smith and keyshawn to throw the ball to. I thnk he is better than delhomme but he wont start until he learns the system well.
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Something I just thought of that I've brought up in David Carr threads before...

What exactly is the difference between Carr and his Tedford product counterpart Joey Harrington? Why is Carr given every excuse in the world, yet people rip on Harrington?
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Something I just thought of that I've brought up in David Carr threads before...

What exactly is the difference between Carr and his Tedford product counterpart Joey Harrington? Why is Carr given every excuse in the world, yet people rip on Harrington?
I think ive come up with an answer to this question.

This is a draft website. So many times, we see players with great measureables being overrated by people on this site. Thats because its a draft website. The average poster here puts too much emphasis on measureables and thinks that players with great measureables are almost always great players, when that is simply not true.

And thats why Carr gets a pass. He was supposed to be great. He has all the measureables you look for.

But measureables are the most overrated aspect of qb'ing. And so many people fail to see that. Look no further than this draft as a perfect example. JaMarcus Russell MUST be the #1 pick. I mean, he could throw it 80 yards!!!

...forget the fact that his work ethic isn't great, nor is his decision making. All that goes out the window. He can fling it, and he's gonna be the #1 pick because of his "ceiling".

And if he busts, you better believe that the same Carr sympathizers will show up at Russell's doorstep. Blaming Oakland's front office, coaching, oline etc. Because anytime a great athlete disappoints, we make extra excuses for him. His athleticism meant he was supposed to be great. And when it doesn't work out that way, we look for excuses. We look to point the finger at someone else. It can't be HIS fault. Thats just how we think as draftniks.
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The funny thing about it is, Carr was known as a guy who held onto the ball too long coming out of college. So it's not like him ending up on his back all the time in Houston was a surprising development
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Alright signing, we could see Delhome and Carr battling it out for the starting job.
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I think ive come up with an answer to this question.

This is a draft website. So many times, we see players with great measureables being overrated by people on this site. Thats because its a draft website. The average poster here puts too much emphasis on measureables and thinks that players with great measureables are almost always great players, when that is simply not true.

And thats why Carr gets a pass. He was supposed to be great. He has all the measureables you look for.

But measureables are the most overrated aspect of qb'ing. And so many people fail to see that. Look no further than this draft as a perfect example. JaMarcus Russell MUST be the #1 pick. I mean, he could throw it 80 yards!!!

...forget the fact that his work ethic isn't great, nor is his decision making. All that goes out the window. He can fling it, and he's gonna be the #1 pick because of his "ceiling".

And if he busts, you better believe that the same Carr sympathizers will show up at Russell's doorstep. Blaming Oakland's front office, coaching, oline etc. Because anytime a great athlete disappoints, we make extra excuses for him. His athleticism meant he was supposed to be great. And when it doesn't work out that way, we look for excuses. We look to point the finger at someone else. It can't be HIS fault. Thats just how we think as draftniks.
Very poignant analysis of why people do and don't defend QBs. I like David Carr because cars go fast! Vrooooom!
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David Carr has never been in a position to succeed until now. That's why.
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I think ive come up with an answer to this question.

This is a draft website. So many times, we see players with great measureables being overrated by people on this site. Thats because its a draft website. The average poster here puts too much emphasis on measureables and thinks that players with great measureables are almost always great players, when that is simply not true.

And thats why Carr gets a pass. He was supposed to be great. He has all the measureables you look for.

But measureables are the most overrated aspect of qb'ing. And so many people fail to see that. Look no further than this draft as a perfect example. JaMarcus Russell MUST be the #1 pick. I mean, he could throw it 80 yards!!!

...forget the fact that his work ethic isn't great, nor is his decision making. All that goes out the window. He can fling it, and he's gonna be the #1 pick because of his "ceiling".

And if he busts, you better believe that the same Carr sympathizers will show up at Russell's doorstep. Blaming Oakland's front office, coaching, oline etc. Because anytime a great athlete disappoints, we make extra excuses for him. His athleticism meant he was supposed to be great. And when it doesn't work out that way, we look for excuses. We look to point the finger at someone else. It can't be HIS fault. Thats just how we think as draftniks.

Good analysis. Many Detroit fans thought that Harrington would flourish once away from Detroit, instead he was a 1 and out, one more year and out of the NFL. People just don't seem to understand that great QB's don't always have great OL's but they produce wins anyways. Carr didn't, hence he's not a great QB by any definition and never will be.
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What exactly is the difference between Carr and his Tedford product counterpart Joey Harrington? Why is Carr given every excuse in the world, yet people rip on Harrington?
Harrington had more tools than Carr and didn't do much better. Over the yrs. Harrington was sacked less than half the times DC was. Harrington had steady coaching, at least more steady than DC. Basically Carr was set up for failure, but did a comparable job to Harrington who had a better chance to succeed. Hence logic would follow that if they were both put in similar enviroments Carr would do better.
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Carr could ride DeAngelo Williams to the playoffs if nessecary
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Harrington had more tools than Carr and didn't do much better. Over the yrs. Harrington was sacked less than half the times DC was. Harrington had steady coaching, at least more steady than DC. Basically Carr was set up for failure, but did a comparable job to Harrington who had a better chance to succeed. Hence logic would follow that if they were both put in similar enviroments Carr would do better.
How did Harrington have more steady coaching? Marty Mornigweg was a horrible coach and Steve Marriucci tried to stick a sqaure peg (Harrington) into a round hole (the West Coast Offense). David Carr gets all the excuses in the world. Nothing is ever his fault. He isn't any different from Harrington and everyone will see that after he fails in his second stop.
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Originally Posted by portermvp84 View Post
If David Carr started could he be able to take the Panthers to the playoffs?
LOL. Good one. The dude will never have a winning season as a 16 game starter...EVER. For ANY TEAM. He's simply no good.
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