The Value of Matt Flynn

jackalope · 01-01-2012, 04:40 PM

Before today's game, I liked Matt Flynn, but felt his ceiling was probably to become an average starter in the NFL. There had been a bit of hype around him following a comment from an unnamed scout that he was a potential franchise QB and he played well against New England. But while he had a good grasp of the game mentally, I still thought he didn't really have the arm to be anything more than okay. Today, however, Flynn threw for 480 yards and 6 touchdowns in tough wind conditions (for evidence of that, take a look at Hanson and Crosby's missed fieldgoals). He made some impressive deep throws and looked all around like a very good NFL quarterback.

At 26 years old and set to be an unrestricted free agent, I now think Flynn may be capable of being a top ten quarterback as early as next season. Luck will be a Colt, but compared to the other potential first round quarterbacks, Flynn looks like a much safer bet. So what is the market for Flynn? Are there multiple teams that would be willing to forgo drafting RG3 or Landry Jones and make a long term commitment to Flynn?

John Schneider, the GM in Seattle, was with Green Bay when Flynn was drafted. I'm not all that familiar with Seattle, but I would think the team would be a lot more optimistic with Flynn going forward than Tavaris Jackson or Charlie Whitehurst.

It seem his stock just skyrocketed at the perfect time. I'm curious as to what teams will be going after Flynn and what kind of a contract he can expect.

JBCX · 01-01-2012, 04:52 PM

Unless the Packers franchise tag Flynn, they will get nothing in return as he will be a free agent.

If they franchise tag him, they will assume alot of financial risk which a small-market team such as the Packers will not be willing to assume.

I think they let him walk and he signs with another team in free agency.

jackalope · 01-01-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX

Unless the Packers franchise tag Flynn, they will get nothing in return as he will be a free agent.

If they franchise tag him, they will assume alot of financial risk which a small-market team such as the Packers will not be willing to assume.

I think they let him walk and he signs with another team in free agency.

I'm absolutely assuming that. People have begun throwing around the idea of franchising him after this game, but that doesn't strike me as a move Thompson would make. I also think that they would like to reserve the franchise tag for Finley anyway.

Basileus777 · 01-01-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX

Unless the Packers franchise tag Flynn, they will get nothing in return as he will be a free agent.

If they franchise tag him, they will assume alot of financial risk which a small-market team such as the Packers will not be willing to assume.

What risk? Why can't they franchise and trade him like the Pats did with Cassel?

Shane P. Hallam · 01-01-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

What risk? Why can't they franchise and trade him like the Pats did with Cassel?

Risk of not being able to franchise Finley.

PackerLegend · 01-01-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX

Unless the Packers franchise tag Flynn, they will get nothing in return as he will be a free agent.

If they franchise tag him, they will assume alot of financial risk which a small-market team such as the Packers will not be willing to assume.

I think they let him walk and he signs with another team in free agency.

Even if he doesn't get tagged and traded they will still get a comp. pick in the draft. So they will get something

jackalope · 01-01-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

What risk? Why can't they franchise and trade him like the Pats did with Cassel?

If they were unable to trade him, they're stuck paying Flynn top 5 QB money (which I'm pretty sure would actually be a bigger salary than Rodgers has). The bigger issue, though, is probably Finley.

Right now, if Flynn walks the best Green Bay can get is a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2013. The front office surely could have gotten more if they'd dealt him early this season, but didn't want to risk losing a potential Superbowl season if Rodgers were to go down.

BloodBrother · 01-01-2012, 05:09 PM

I don't know if they would have gotten more than a 3rd if they traded Flynn prior to the start of the year tbh

it's a tough situation. You don't just want talented QB's to go for nothing but he clearly has no future in GB and they have another weapon in Finley who is a FA(coming off a pretty pedestrian season, however)

Phins827 · 01-01-2012, 05:11 PM

As a Dolphins fan, unless we can pull off a trade to grab Griffin, I'm all for Flynn

BloodBrother · 01-01-2012, 05:21 PM

move over Tebow. Flynn just...winzzz?

National championship and a SB. Guy has the hardware

jackalope · 01-01-2012, 05:27 PM

It may also be worth noting that Reggie McKenzie, Green Bay's director of football operations, is rumored to be the front runner for Oakland's general manager job. Now, it's hard to imagine replacing Carson Palmer so quickly after what they gave up for him, but with a new GM it's possible that they would cut their losses and go for a younger guy with more potential. No sense crying over spilt milk and missing an opportunity to improve. A Raiders fan would have to let me know how realistic that is considering his contract situation.

descendency · 01-01-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JBCX

Unless the Packers franchise tag Flynn, they will get nothing in return as he will be a free agent.

If they franchise tag him, they will assume alot of financial risk which a small-market team such as the Packers will not be willing to assume.

I think they let him walk and he signs with another team in free agency.

Boston may be a bigger market, but the Packers could easily do what NE did with Matt Cassel.

The downside was NE was handicappped in early free agency.

Basileus777 · 01-01-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

It may also be worth noting that Reggie McKenzie, Green Bay's director of football operations, is rumored to be the front runner for Oakland's general manager job. Now, it's hard to imagine replacing Carson Palmer so quickly after what they gave up for him, but with a new GM it's possible that they would cut their losses and go for a younger guy with more potential. No sense crying over spilt milk and missing an opportunity to improve. A Raiders fan would have to let me know how realistic that is considering his contract situation.

Replacing Palmer this early is pretty much impossible. New GM or not, they aren't going to trade for/give Flynn a big deal after half a year.

Razor · 01-01-2012, 05:37 PM

I'd think Flynn has similar value as Schaub did before he got traded, maybe a bit less.

Saints-Tigers · 01-01-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Boston may be a bigger market, but the Packers could easily do what NE did with Matt Cassel.

The downside was NE was handicappped in early free agency.

Well, the Packers don't make a splash in FA anyway.

Great opportunity for them. I bet they are thrilled that they sat Aaron now, WOW.

VernonLawson89 · 01-01-2012, 05:58 PM

Would love to see him on the Niners

ChiFan24 · 01-01-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

If they were unable to trade him, they're stuck paying Flynn top 5 QB money (which I'm pretty sure would actually be a bigger salary than Rodgers has). The bigger issue, though, is probably Finley.

Right now, if Flynn walks the best Green Bay can get is a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2013. The front office surely could have gotten more if they'd dealt him early this season, but didn't want to risk losing a potential Superbowl season if Rodgers were to go down.

They would definitely be able to trade him though, and if they can't, they can always remove the tag.

I'd tag him and try to negotiate a contract with Finley. The first rounder they can get for Flynn is more valuable than an expensive non-elite tight end.

J-Mike88 · 01-01-2012, 06:05 PM

I expect the Packers to get 2 teams into a somewhat "bidding war" for Matt's services, and the Packers will give Flynn a new contract, then trade him.

Which of these could be realistic?:

Flynn & the Packers 1st rounder for Miami's 1st rounder?
Flynn for Elvis Dumervil (Elway does NOT want Tebow throwing that ship...)
Flynn, AJ Hawk, Ryan Grant to Washington for Brian Orakpo

Anyone remember what Atlanta got for for Schaub, Philly for Kolb, and NE for Cassell?
We all know what Cinci got for Palmer, but he was a Pro Bowler 5 years ago.....

FUNBUNCHER · 01-01-2012, 06:05 PM

Pot o' gold over here for ya Matty!!!

Skins need to keep all their draft picks to rebuild the roster.

J-Mike88 · 01-01-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Boston may be a bigger market, but the Packers could easily do what NE did with Matt Cassel.

The downside was NE was handicappped in early free agency.

We're never players in free agency anyway.
Well since 2006 with Woodson & Pickett.

FUNBUNCHER · 01-01-2012, 06:28 PM

GB will franchise Jordy before Flynn.

J-Mike88 · 01-01-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

GB will franchise Jordy before Flynn.

Nelson signed a new deal before this season.

Great deal for us....

jackalope · 01-01-2012, 06:35 PM

Yeah, Green Bay has Nelson for three more years for $13.35 million.

DBNYDP · 01-01-2012, 06:54 PM

His value is really high right now and he is going to get PAID this offseason. That being said I have serious doubts, he had a great game today but played against a bad secondary and with a great set of receivers. I thought the line played pretty well today. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I don't think he's going to be nearly as good as he is going to be paid. Then again for me I'm almost always against signing or trading for a QB, I almost always prefer the draft for the QB position.

EvilMonkey · 01-01-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DBNYDP

His value is really high right now and he is going to get PAID this offseason. That being said I have serious doubts, he had a great game today but played against a bad secondary and with a great set of receivers. I thought the line played pretty well today. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I don't think he's going to be nearly as good as he is going to be paid. Then again for me I'm almost always against signing or trading for a QB, I almost always prefer the draft for the QB position.

I hope we franchise him and get a high pick in return, but I do agree with you that nothing is proven with him. He's had 2 great games as a starter, but they were both against terrible secondaries. Get what we can while we can.