Week 17 - Packers vs. Lions

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 12:34 PM

shaky start with Pat Lee returning kicks

one thing I don't understand is why guys like Jermichael, BJ and Bishop are seeing so much action early on and why they aren't kinda clumped in with the inactive guys as people you wanna keep on the sidelines...hopefully it's just to get them some reps and they'll be pulled later on

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 01:09 PM

Morgan Burnett has had a strong game so far

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 01:19 PM

Ryan Grant has shown far more burst in the second half of the season

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 03:40 PM

Matt Flynn...

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 03:48 PM

it was like watching a video game

BloodBrother · 01-01-2012, 03:58 PM

but, but the media said that when the weather gets cold in GB they wouldn't be able to throw the ball around like they have all year? It was cold, snowy and very windy today and neither QB had trouble throwing it

does this mean...the media was WRONG? Say it ain't so

haha that game was fun to watch.

PackerLegend · 01-01-2012, 04:00 PM

game was amazing! Matt ******* Flynn baby. I cant wait to see him get his shot elsewhere. I have high hopes he wont be another Cassell.

So happy to beat those punk Lions. keep that streak n lambeau alive.

BloodBrother · 01-01-2012, 04:07 PM

he can go and become another cassel, I don't care. I just hope the packers tag him and trade him for something good in return. We saw what the Cards gave up for Kolb's crappy ass

J-Mike88 · 01-01-2012, 04:41 PM

Holy Matt ******* Flynn!

Now, how do we cash him in like Atlanta did for Schaub and Philly for Korn on the Kolb?

Flynn has shown as much as those 2 guys have!
Today was ALL-TIME RECORD-SETTING. Outdoors.

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 05:39 PM

If we did franchise Flynn how much could we get for him? A second or is that too high?

J-Mike88 · 01-01-2012, 05:55 PM

We need 2 teams to want Flynn, which is REALISTIC.

We know about what contract terms those teams might be willing to give him, so we should sign him to that.... and then trade him for the team offering us the most. Is it not that simple?

How about either of these:
Flynn & Hawk for Brian Orakpo?
Flynn for Dumervil?
Flynn for Cleveland's 2nd rounder and 3rd next year?

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

We need 2 teams to want Flynn, which is REALISTIC.

We know about what contract terms those teams might be willing to give him, so we should sign him to that.... and then trade him for the team offering us the most. Is it not that simple?

How about either of these:
Flynn & Hawk for Brian Orakpo?
Flynn for Dumervil?
Flynn for Cleveland's 2nd rounder and 3rd next year?

sign and trades don't happen in the NFL; it's not like the NBA where a player's current team has the ability to offer them more money...Flynn will hit the free agent market and he will go to the place where he gets the most money...and we're not gonna franchise him, that'll go to Finley

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

sign and trades don't happen in the NFL; it's not like the NBA where a player's current team has the ability to offer them more money...Flynn will hit the free agent market and he will go to the place where he gets the most money...and we're not gonna franchise him, that'll go to Finley

1st round pick or 2nd round pick+ is worth a lot more than a year of Finley

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

1st round pick or 2nd round pick+ is worth a lot more than a year of Finley

what leverage do the Packers have? pay 15 million dollars for a backup? if teams can't get Matt Flynn on the free agent market they will probably invest a pick on a quarterback or wait a year and build up the team if they really have that much interest in him

given the dollars and potential picks required I just don't see many teams willing to jump in on that

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 06:19 PM

Same could be said about Matt Cassel. And Matt Schuab and Kevin Kolb for that matter, even though they weren't franchised

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

We need 2 teams to want Flynn, which is REALISTIC.

We know about what contract terms those teams might be willing to give him, so we should sign him to that.... and then trade him for the team offering us the most. Is it not that simple?

How about either of these:
Flynn & Hawk for Brian Orakpo?
Flynn for Dumervil?
Flynn for Cleveland's 2nd rounder and 3rd next year?

I would think trading for draft picks would be more likely. I could see a deal with the Redskins because they have a lot of picks. Other teams i think could be interested in Flynn would be:

Browns
Dolphins
Seahawks
Chiefs
Jets?
Broncos

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Same could be said about Matt Cassel. And Matt Schuab and Kevin Kolb for that matter, even though they weren't franchised

and how have those situations played out for those teams??? Schaub would be the only case deemed a success but it took a handful of years before they sniffed success and now he's out...and don't tell me Cassel has worked out because there's a good chance he's cut after this season

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

what leverage do the Packers have? pay 15 million dollars for a backup? if teams can't get Matt Flynn on the free agent market they will probably invest a pick on a quarterback or wait a year and build up the team if they really have that much interest in him

given the dollars and potential picks required I just don't see many teams willing to jump in on that

But if more than one team wants him they would be in competition so would have to offer more than the other to get Flynn. This would drive his price up meaning i think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

and how have those situations played out for those teams??? Schaub would be the only case deemed a success but it took a handful of years before they sniffed success and now he's out...and don't tell me Cassel has worked out because there's a good chance he's cut after this season

Why does it matter how those situations have played out? Matt Flynn isnt Matt Cassel or Kevin Kolb is he?

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

But if more than one team wants him they would be in competition so would have to offer more than the other to get Flynn. This would drive his price up meaning i think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.

so then I ask is a 2nd round pick (an unproven commodity) worth more to us than Jermichael Finley and assuring we have him???

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Why does it matter how those situations have played out? Matt Flynn isnt Matt Cassel or Kevin Kolb is he?

teams look at precedent...how often does investing a ton of money and high picks in a backup QB work out??

and the potential teams he'll go to have nowhere near the arsenal of talent at their disposal and that has to be taken into consideration too; how much does the talent on the Packers offense increase his productivity?

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

and how have those situations played out for those teams??? Schaub would be the only case deemed a success but it took a handful of years before they sniffed success and now he's out...and don't tell me Cassel has worked out because there's a good chance he's cut after this season

Nothing you said here has any significance what so ever. It doesn't matter how it played out for them, that's irrelevant.

The point is, there's always going to be a team willing to give up a lot for a QB with potential.

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

The point is, there's always going to be a team willing to give up a lot for a QB with potential.

^^^^^^^^^^^

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

so then I ask is a 2nd round pick (an unproven commodity) worth more to us than Jermichael Finley and assuring we have him???

Yes. And it'd probably be more than just a 2nd round pick. Cassel got a 2nd round pick and a pro bowl DE. Kolb got a 2nd and a pro bowl CB. Schaub, the most similar situation got 2 seconds and a swap of the 10th pick to 8th overall. One year of Finley is not worth that.

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

teams look at precedent...how often does investing a ton of money and high picks in a backup QB work out??

and the potential teams he'll go to have nowhere near the arsenal of talent at their disposal and that has to be taken into consideration too; how much does the talent on the Packers offense increase his productivity?

The Cardinals did it just last year, so don't give me that crap. It doesn't matter.

And your last sentence is another irrelevant note. Any team that'd trade for him isn't just looking at his stats. They're going to watch a lot of film on him and scout him. He can make the throws and run an offense. That's more important than his productivity.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:42 PM

nevermind it was replied to