Week 17 - Packers vs. Lions - Page 2

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Yes. And it'd probably be more than just a 2nd round pick. Cassel got a 2nd round pick and a pro bowl DE. Kolb got a 2nd and a pro bowl CB. Schaub, the most similar situation got 2 seconds and a swap of the 10th pick to 8th overall. One year of Finley is not worth that.

The Cardinals did it just last year, so don't give me that crap. It doesn't matter.

And your last sentence is another irrelevant note. Any team that'd trade for him isn't just looking at his stats. They're going to watch a lot of film on him and scout him. He can make the throws and run an offense. That's more important than his productivity.

And everybody but the Cardinals thought they were insane on what they gave up

and it does matter the personnel around a QB and should be taken into consideration...Flynn is playing with the best supporting cast in football!

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

I will not deny that teams take chances on QBs with "potential" but from the Packers perspective is it worth trying to get something for Matt Flynn and letting Jermichael Finley walk???

Why cant we resign Finley? And anyway i'd say yes! This is apparently 'YOTTO 2.0', well if in 2 years of 'taking over' all he can do is drop ball after ball and moan about not getting it then quite frankly, i dont want him here.

BloodBrother · 01-01-2012, 06:51 PM

Cassel was tagged with the understanding he would be traded. His contract was setup before the trade was finalized, hence not signing the tender.

There is a lot of work behind the scenes before it goes down. It isn't just "let's tag him" and hope it all works out.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Why cant we resign Finley? And anyway i'd say yes! This is apparently 'YOTTO 2.0', well if in 2 years of 'taking over' all he can do is drop ball after ball and moan about not getting it then quite frankly, i dont want him here.

Finley is going to look to get paid BIG and he's gonna wanna find out his market value, making franchise tag the only way to assure he returns next year

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

And everybody but the Cardinals thought they were insane on what they gave up

and it does matter the personnel around a QB and should be taken into consideration...Flynn is playing with the best supporting cast in football!

All it takes is one team, and as I said earlier, there's always going to be a team willing to give up a lot for a QB with potential. And you have no idea what other teams were interested. Maybe everyone you know thought they were insane, but I'm pretty sure you don't know every GM. I bet there were multiple teams interested in Kolb, the Cardinals were just willing to give up more than the others.

And again, irrelevant. I already told you why.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

All it takes is one team, and as I said earlier, there's always going to be a team willing to give up a lot for a QB with potential. And you have no idea what other teams were interested. Maybe everyone you know thought they were insane, but I'm pretty sure you don't know every GM. I bet there were multiple teams interested in Kolb, the Cardinals were just willing to give up more than the others.

And again, irrelevant. I already told you why.

How is it irrelevant who the quarterback's supporting cast is???

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Cassel was tagged with the understanding he would be traded. His contract was setup before the trade was finalized, hence not signing the tender.

There is a lot of work behind the scenes before it goes down. It isn't just "let's tag him" and hope it all works out.

Didn't you guys do the same thing with Corey Williams a few years back? I'm sure Ted Thompson is capable of getting it done.

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Finley is going to look to get paid BIG and he's gonna wanna find out his market value, making franchise tag the only way to assure he returns next year

We are the Green Bay Packers. We are not going to get bossed around by some big-headed, underachieving tight end.

We'll go into the meeting, offer Finley the maximum we want to pay him and then if he says no then let the f***** leave. No player is bigger than the franchise, Finley should be great full hes getting the chance to play for the Packers!

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

How is it irrelevant who the quarterback's supporting cast is???

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I already told you why.

But in case you missed it, here it is again.

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And your last sentence is another irrelevant note. Any team that'd trade for him isn't just looking at his stats. They're going to watch a lot of film on him and scout him. He can make the throws and run an offense. That's more important than his productivity.

How is it relevant? If you take him off the Packers and put him on the Browns, yes, he'd be less productive. If you take Aaron Rodgers off the Packers and put him on the Browns he'd be less productive too. Irrelevant.

You're just harping on this note, because you're wrong and have nothing else to stand on.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

But in case you missed it, here it is again.

How is it relevant? If you take him off the Packers and put him on the Browns, yes, he'd be less productive. If you take Aaron Rodgers off the Packers and put him on the Browns he'd be less productive too. Irrelevant.

You're just harping on this note, because you're wrong and have nothing else to stand on.

I'm not necessarily talking the numbers...is Matt Flynn a QB that makes the players around him better or is he the product of a system that is equipped with a plethora of options? Or to phrase it another way, is a team trading for a franchise quarterback? I don't know how you can say they are and that's what teams are looking for if they're going to invest as much in him as you suggest

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

I'm not necessarily talking the numbers...is Matt Flynn a QB that makes the players around him better or is he the product of a system that is equipped with a plethora of options? Or to phrase it another way, is a team trading for a franchise quarterback? I don't know how you can say they are and that's what teams are looking for if they're going to invest as much in him as you suggest

If you're picking a QB in the draft during the second round you wont be drafting a 'franchise quarterback'. Who would you rather have, Colin Kaepernick or Matt Flynn? Ovbiously Matt Flynn which would mean Flynn is worth more than a early second round pick.

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 07:23 PM

Matt Cassel played in a damn good offense. That didn't prevent him from being traded for a nice haul. And again, say what you want about how he turned out, doesn't matter.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

If you're picking a QB in the draft during the second round you wont be drafting a 'franchise quarterback'. Who would you rather have, Colin Kaepernick or Matt Flynn? Ovbiously Matt Flynn which would mean Flynn is worth more than a early second round pick.

If you draft a quarterback or invest a Top 40 pick in the position then you're hedging your bets that that guy will be a franchise caliber player for you

with your reasoning would you rather have Matt Flynn or Christian Ponder? most people would say Flynn but that doesn't mean he's worth the 12th pick

PackerLegend · 01-01-2012, 07:41 PM

Everybody is high on Flynn. They were last year after that NE game and knew he was going to be a FA after this year. This Lions game only helped that cause and increased his value.

I dont get your point PF28. Nobody is saying anything about Flynn having great WRs which is the only reason why hes done well. Teams will jump all over this guy they have already been anticipating him being a FA. If the Packers do tag him they can trade him for a good haul. Not saying they will but TTs a smart man and he knows how to do stuff.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerLegend

Everybody is high on Flynn. They were last year after that NE game and knew he was going to be a FA after this year. This Lions game only helped that cause and increased his value.

I dont get your point PF28. Nobody is saying anything about Flynn having great WRs which is the only reason why hes done well. Teams will jump all over this guy they have already been anticipating him being a FA. If the Packers do tag him they can trade him for a good haul. Not saying they will but TTs a smart man and he knows how to do stuff.

Flynn is ridiculously overrated at this point...he's nothing more than an average quarterback in this league much like the Matt Cassel and Kevin Kolbs of the world

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Flynn is ridiculously overrated at this point...he's nothing more than an average quarterback in this league much like the Matt Cassel and Kevin Kolbs of the world

What brings you to this assumption? Hes had two starts, nearly beat the Patriots and beat the Lions whilst throwing for 6 touchdowns. Im not saying hes going to be a franchise QB, but I dont understand what you see that makes you certain he will be an average quarterback at best.

Mufasa · 01-01-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Flynn is ridiculously overrated at this point...he's nothing more than an average quarterback in this league much like the Matt Cassel and Kevin Kolbs of the world

Well I've already shown you what the Matt Cassels and Kevin Kolbs of the world fetch in a trade.

PackerLegend · 01-01-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Flynn is ridiculously overrated at this point...he's nothing more than an average quarterback in this league much like the Matt Cassel and Kevin Kolbs of the world

You dont even know that for sure. Besides that has nothing to do with what the Packers could potentially get.

princefielder28 · 01-01-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

What brings you to this assumption? Hes had two starts, nearly beat the Patriots and beat the Lions whilst throwing for 6 touchdowns. Im not saying hes going to be a franchise QB, but I dont understand what you see that makes you certain he will be an average quarterback at best.

he's got marginal tools while being a smart kid and he's gone up against two horrendous secondaries...i've already mentioned how he's also a beneficiary of a very talented offense as well

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Well I've already shown you what the Matt Cassels and Kevin Kolbs of the world fetch in a trade.

we shall see...those two also had far more game experience than Flynn

SuperPacker · 01-01-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

he's got marginal tools while being a smart kid and he's gone up against two horrendous secondaries...i've already mentioned how he's also a beneficiary of a very talented offense as well

Maybe that would be relevant if he had thrown for, say 250 yards and 2 touchdowns against the Lions. But he threw for 480 yards and 6 touchdowns. I dont care how 'horrendous' the defense is because i didnt see Drew Brees throwing for 6 touchdowns against them and i didnt see Rodgers throw for 6 touchdowns against them (in the comforts of a dome, without horrible snowy, windy weather).

I repeat, im not saying Flynn is better than Rodgers or Brees, but throwing for 6 touchdowns in a game is not something an 'average quarterback' does.

J-Mike88 · 01-01-2012, 11:35 PM

Tom Silverstein reported back in practices before the season started, that Flynn was looking sharper than Rodgers was.
I remember LMAO at those reports. But I re-read them today, and it's pretty interesting.

He talked then, August, about how if some NFL scouts were there at the practices, they'd be phoning home to their GMs.

I never really liked Flynn, ever since I got into a twitter back-&-forth with him over him following the Kardashian ho's, LOL, but he's better than at least 12 starting QBs today.

BloodBrother · 01-02-2012, 02:14 AM

At least Flynn shows that he can complete passes 15 yards downfield. Kolb is checkdown city.

he may be an average QB on some other team, but we really don't know. Point is he has played well when given the chance and has gotten better each year(going by his preseason performances) that is more than you can say for quite a few of these current "starters" in the league

IF they tag him, we'll know that they already most likely have a deal in place

PackerLegend · 01-02-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

I never really liked Flynn, ever since I got into a twitter back-&-forth with him over him following the Kardashian ho's, LOL

wait what? you serious.

J-Mike88 · 01-02-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerLegend

wait what? you serious.

Jokes.... I used to tease him on twitter for following all the Karashians.... back in 08 or 09.....

But think back to that 2008 Draft.
What do you think Brian Brohm was thinking last night after seeing what Flynn did?