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Old 01-13-2012, 07:51 PM    (permalink
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So we give up one of our best prospects in Jose Campos as well. Sigh.
haha yeah saw that. That makes the trade hurt a bit more now considering I don't think much of Neosi
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NL West still has Arizona's tiny stadium and AL West still has Arlington, so there is some serious hitter parks in those divisions too.
Chase Field isn't actually small just happens to be the 2nd highest in altitude with the best batter's eye and dry air
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Wow we do nothing for 2 months and then sign Kuroda and make this trade on the same day.
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D'Backs had offered Kuroda 1 year 12 mil reportedly, strange seeing him sign for 1/10 especially when he insisted on staying o nthe west coast, market must of dried up due to him taking too long
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Hate this trade for the M's. You should NEVER trade a top of the rotation starter for a DH. That is just stupid.
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Why didn't the M's go harder after Fielder and keep Pineda? I think the Yanks made a great deal.
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Ultimately I'm going to miss the opportunity to see Jesus rake over the next however many years, but unless he could play RF, he didn't have a spot on this team. While I think the Mariners may have gotten the best overall player, considering we had our hands tied in a way, I like the return.

With Kuroda in the mix too it allows us to be super patient with our bigger pitching prospects.
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Hate this trade for the M's. You should NEVER trade a top of the rotation starter for a DH. That is just stupid.
He could be a mini Frank Thomas though.
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Why didn't the M's go harder after Fielder and keep Pineda? I think the Yanks made a great deal.
They have gone hard for Fielder but it takes two to do a contract.

Unless Montero is a stiff behind the plate i actually like the trade. The Ms have guys in the system who are close to Pineda and potentially as good.
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Montero is a stiff behind the plate, he can't play catcher.
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Pineda is going to get killed in that park. The lefties are going to eat him up.
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Pineda should be alright, but Montero's power is zapped in Safeco (like Smoak, except Smoak blows). This is why Seattle should sign Prince but nooooo.



Montero will play DH, so...
I'm speaking hypothetically for the fact that the M's sign Prince.
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I don't get the negativity on Montero being DH only. You are trading him for his bat anyway. If he's as good as advertised that makes him a pretty valuable player even he doesn't step on the field at all.

The Mariners really wanted Prince but I don't think he's interested anyway.
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haha yeah saw that. That makes the trade hurt a bit more now considering I don't think much of Neosi
Noesi is solid. I would not at all be surprised to see him out perform Pineda this year.
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I don't get the negativity on Montero being DH only. You are trading him for his bat anyway. If he's as good as advertised that makes him a pretty valuable player even he doesn't step on the field at all.

The Mariners really wanted Prince but I don't think he's interested anyway.
With guys like Walker,Paxson and Hultzen in the pipeline i'm actually excited about this move. I was getting tired of going down to Safeco and watching anemic offenses.

If anyone can tell me what Montero's catching ability is it would be greatly appreciated. And i'm not talking about the standard...."so and so says he cant catch". I'm looking for opinions of people that have seen him catch on a regular basis. As always the check will be in the mail for such info.
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I'm sure no one here has seen him catch on a regular basis unless you lived in the same towns he was in during his tenure in the minors. He only caught 3 games with the Yanks last year.
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I'm sure no one here has seen him catch on a regular basis unless you lived in the same towns he was in during his tenure in the minors. He only caught 3 games with the Yanks last year.
That's what i'm thinking. And it's not like we've had Fisk and Munson here as our catchers over the years. We've had to live with the likes of Johjima and Rob Johnson. Dan Wilson was a good receiver and would hit a little. If Montero is that good of a hitter we'll find a place for him.
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That's what i'm thinking. And it's not like we've had Fisk and Munson here as our catchers over the years. We've had to live with the likes of Johjima and Rob Johnson. Dan Wilson was a good receiver and would hit a little. If Montero is that good of a hitter we'll find a place for him.
Between Rob Johnson the years before and Miguel Olivo now, we had our share of crappy crappy catchers. The bar of Mariners catching defense is really really low.

But I think long term you wouldn't want him to catch anyway. It's a very injury prone position and you want to keep him on the field as long as possible. But, Apparently they are planning to bring him to camp with the idea to catch. We'll see.
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Heyman said that the Yankees offered Montero, Betances, and Banuelos for King Felix. I'm a little surprised Seattle didn't take that deal.
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It's a good offer but Mariners fans would have revolted.
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I dont know much about those prospects to be completely honest, but dont yankees prospects tend to be hyped up more than most organizations? Like would that really be worth Felix or?
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I dont know much about those prospects to be completely honest, but dont yankees prospects tend to be hyped up more than most organizations? Like would that really be worth Felix or?
Banuelos and Betances both profile as #2's so you'd have to decide if that were enough for the king.
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I wouldn't have done that, especially with more and more people saying Betances is basically a future reliever. With Gardner in it, definitely, but the Yankees wouldn't do it.
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