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Old 01-17-2012, 04:30 PM    (permalink
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A marijuana arrest is much worse than admitting you've tried marijuana in the past ala Calvin Johnson. 99% of the people who try weed don't get caught by the authorities for it.
This is correct.
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He has had his own problems and just played a year of 1-AA ball. Doubtful.
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Don't care. Who cares about pot? Unless the guy is Sam Hurd'ing it, I just plain don't give a ****.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:37 PM    (permalink
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A marijuana arrest is much worse than admitting you've tried marijuana in the past ala Calvin Johnson. 99% of the people who try weed don't get caught by the authorities for it.
Well, a lot of the people who have tried weed aren't black and don't get stopped and searched at a high rate.
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Don't care. Who cares about pot? Unless the guy is Miles Austin'ing it, I just plain don't give a ****.
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If anything it just helped his chances of making it to Dallas...


Though it did get me wondering, off field issues put aside, how much of a difference is there in talent between him and Janoris Jenkins?
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Well, a lot of the people who have tried weed aren't black and don't get stopped and searched at a high rate.
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A marijuana arrest is much worse than admitting you've tried marijuana in the past ala Calvin Johnson.
I was going to say the same thing.
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If anything it just helped his chances of making it to Dallas...


Though it did get me wondering, off field issues put aside, how much of a difference is there in talent between him and Janoris Jenkins?
I think Janoris is a much better player. Janoris is a top 5 pick without the issues but i think Kirkpatrick is a mid first round pick, if that.
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I think Janoris is a much better player. Janoris is a top 5 pick without the issues but i think Kirkpatrick is a mid first round pick, if that.
Janoris is too undersized to have ever been a top 10 pick. 5'10 180ish? Nah.

Kirkpatrick is listed at 6'2 (probably 6'0-6'1 in actuality since those numbers are usually exaggerated) and thicker.
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Great a new CB to mock to us
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It isn't that he smoked the weed. It's that he got caught.

You don't get caught with weed on you sitting in your house, quietly smoking it. You get caught in public doing something dumb (usually).
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Well, a lot of the people who have tried weed aren't black and don't get stopped and searched at a high rate.
And a lot of people who try weed don't transport it in their vehicles, fewer transport it in a way that would get them searched or caught, and much fewer have million dollar football careers to risk by getting caught. In other words, Kirkpatrick is a moron. Wouldn't blow a first rounder on him. Not sure he had first round ability to begin with to be honest.
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Kirkpatrick is a weird case because no one can get a true feel for his ability.

Regardless of this arrest, he could go in the top ten or fall to the 20's. Those "odd" type prospects are always scaring, and I prefer to take them later than earlier. If some people have him as a late 1st rounder, there's a reason for it. I wouldn't mind Dallas taking him at 14, but he's just a weird prospect.

As far as him vs. Janoris goes, that's hard because again they both now have character issues, and they are completely different style CBs. One is 5'10'' 180 and relies on speed, the other is 6'2'' 205 and is physical. It really depends on who your other CBs are in my opinion. If you already have speedsters, take Kirkpatrick. If you already have a physical corner, take Jenkins. If you have neither, pick your poison.
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Janoris is too undersized to have ever been a top 10 pick. 5'10 180ish? Nah.

Kirkpatrick is listed at 6'2 (probably 6'0-6'1 in actuality since those numbers are usually exaggerated) and thicker.
Pacman Jones went #6, DeAngelo Hall went #8. Pacman is listed at 5'10'' but probably more like 5'9'', and Hall is listed as 5'10'' on nfl.com but 5'11'' on wiki. Both are also under 200 lbs. Antrel Rolle was drafted 8th overall and although he's listed at 6'0'' he is probably more like 5'11'' from comparing him with other players on the giants. I realize things have changed, but their size can be overcome. Height is just something that everyone wants at the position, but its not like talent can't override that.
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He's most likely off the Jaguars draft board now.
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if i'm picking 10-20 and need a corner, i'm celebrating right now
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If Dre Kirkpatrick is not off the board by the 14th pick (Dallas) he certainly will not get past the Cowboys. Physical, rangy corners possessing Kirkpatrick's size & athleticism simply don't fall far. There will still be teams that will give him a very close look in the Top 10 (Washington, Carolina) and it'd surprise me if the Tide star fell past Kansas City at 11.

Any arrest hurts, but sometimes there are skill-sets that supersede any *relatively minor* red flags. Interview process at the Combine will be hugely important, but IMO Kirkpatrick retains a strangle-hold on the #2 CB spot in this draft. Maybe he's taken off a few boards, but this is unlikely to cost him much more than his inevitable fine.
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Tebow.

Regardless, this is a non-isse in my mind. Does anyone actually care about weed anymore?
I don't know Tebow seems really stoned sometimes.

And I doubt any team honestly cares. It's 2012 people, I think every NFL team knows that most of these guys have smoked at some time.
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i dont think hes a top 10 caliber player anyway. id say top 20 if they play him at safety
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I think this has zero influence on his stock.
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Jenkins is better than Kirtpatrick IMHO.
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