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Old 02-04-2012, 06:48 PM    (permalink
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Chris Samuels was better than all of them as a prospect. He started all 4 years and never gave up a single sack. Didn't even allow a single pressure his Senior season.

I'd say Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels were the two best left tackle prospects I've ever seen.
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^^^ Completely forgot about how good a prospect Samuels was seen as.

Bryant McKinnie was regarded pretty damn highly as well.
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Is he considered "Elite" though?
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I'd say so.

He's definitely in the Jake Long, Joe Thomas, D'Brickashaw Ferguson tier in my opinion.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:04 PM    (permalink
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Is he considered "Elite" though?
I think so too. Here are all the top OT prospects selected in the top 10 in the past decade:

- Tyron Smith, Cowboys
- Trent Williams, Redskins
- Russell Okung, Seahawks
- Jason Smith, Rams
- Andre Smith, Bengals
- Eugene Monroe, Jaguars
- Jake Long, Dolphins
- Joe Thomas, Browns
- Levi Brown, Cardinals
- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jets
- Robert Gallery, Raiders
- Jordan Gross, Panthers
- Mike Williams, Bills
- Bryant McKinnie, Vikings
- Levi Jones, Bengals

Out of all of those, I'd say the only ones I'd put above Kalil are Jake Long, Joe Thomas, and Robert Gallery. Gallery and Thomas are the highest rated, IMO, even if they didn't go first overall like Jake Long did. Gallery went after Manning though, who was VERY highly thought of, and Thomas went after Russell and Megatron, both of whom were elite prospects at their position (heck, Megatron could very well be the best WR prospect ever).

D'Brick is probably equal to Kalil's level, and then everyone is below him, IMO.

I don't know if I think higher of Kalil than most do, but I think he's got as much potential as an OT might have, and he's got great size to boot. He's listed as 6'7 and 295, so as long as he stays close to that and doesn't go down to 280 like D'Brick supposedly does.
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You do know Kalil was the reason why Tyron Smith is stuck at RT. No doubt Kalil is the better prospect and has better potential. Kalil is a elite prospect, lock top 3 pick while Smith was a top 15 prospect in an average draft last year.
If you put Smith at LT and Kalil at RT, you would have had 2 players in new positions. By having Kalil at LT, you only have 1 player in a new position. Both were elite OL.
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If you put Smith at LT and Kalil at RT, you would have had 2 players in new positions. By having Kalil at LT, you only have 1 player in a new position. Both were elite OL.
Exactly. USC didnt want two guys in new positions going into 2010. There is nothing wrong with being a really good RT either. The move seemed to work out well for everyone involved.
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Kalil just doesn't seem as elite as previous top offensive tackle prospects; Gallery, Ferguson, Thomas, and Long were all better prospects. I prefer Tyron Smith as well due to his substantial advantage in athleticism. Kalil would probably go above Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, and Andre Smith although Andre was a more dominant player (excluding concerns about weight, etc.)
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He's listed as 6'7 and 295, so as long as he stays close to that
weigh in is going to be key at combine. If he's shorter than 6'7" (let's say he's 6'5") that would shake up his value.
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weigh in is going to be key at combine. If he's shorter than 6'7" (let's say he's 6'5") that would shake up his value.
Just going on the sight test he looks 6-6 to me. What's the differance really. 6-5 is perfect height for a tackle.

Arm length would probably be more of an issue than an inch of height.
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Well he's good for a FG block... or 4 a year ;)
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Still not sure that I wouldn't take Reiff over kalil. I like Kalil, but I'm not in love with him, but that's me.
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weigh in is going to be key at combine. If he's shorter than 6'7" (let's say he's 6'5") that would shake up his value.
he's legit 6'7"
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I wouldn't disagree with this, either.

I've said it quite often: there are no Walter Joneses, or Bosellis, or Ogdens anymore. We witnessed the golden era of left tackles. Hope you all enjoyed it, because it's unlikely we ever see that many elite HoF caliber players all physical freaks to boot) at one position as we did in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I mean, hell, a guy like Tarik Glenn (who was seen as a very good, but not quite elite tackle in that era) could arguably be better than anyone in the NFL right now.
What about Willie Roaf and Orlando Pace? They're part of that era too.
That was a golden era.
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1-Thomas
2-Ferguson
3-Long
4-Kalil
5-J.Smith
6-T.Smith
7-Williams
8-Okung

similar to Long, not quite Ferguson or Thomas. Just barely better than the Smiths, better than Trent Williams and Russ Okung.
Lol at D'Brick being better than Jake Long. If you really think that, you are insane. Plain and simple. Is your name by any chance, D'Brickashaw Ferguson?
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I though Ferguson was a better prospect than Long b/c of his athleticism and length and ridiculous upside in pass pro. There were plenty of GMs who thought Long would be an okay LT but better suited on the right side of the line. I could see putting Long #2 and Ferguson #3, but Long certainly was not 100% superior to D'Brickashaw as draft prospects.
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I though Ferguson was a better prospect than Long b/c of his athleticism and length and ridiculous upside in pass pro. There were plenty of GMs who thought Long would be an okay LT but better suited on the right side of the line. I could see putting Long #2 and Ferguson #3, but Long certainly was not 100% superior to D'Brickashaw as draft prospects.
This is spot on. There were so many questions about Jake Long's ability in pass protection. And Ferguson was VERY highly thought of as a LT prospect.
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What about Willie Roaf and Orlando Pace? They're part of that era too.
That was a golden era.
I'm aware of that, but it's a point I reiterate often, and I don't mention every single guy every single time.
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This is spot on. There were so many questions about Jake Long's ability in pass protection. And Ferguson was VERY highly thought of as a LT prospect.
Thomas and Long went 3 and 1 immediately after, and both teams were better with those guys as rookies than the Jets were with D'Brick as a rookie.

Ferguson went 4 in a draft he could have went 1 in with alot of people calling it a smart pick (in the vein of Williams, but opposite side of the ball), and it was a draft that included great prospects like Williams, Bush, Davis, the big 3 QBs, Ngata...He could have went top 5 in '05 had he come out as a junior...1 considering how crappy that draft was at the top.

These next 5 seasons as D'Brick/Thomas/Long enter their late 20's/early 30's is when they will really separate themselves as players.
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