Offseason Discussion Thread - Page 5

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

THATS WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT SANTONIO TOO! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

I feel awful for hoping for an all-out Steelers collapse, but it would please me endlessly to watch them toil in obscurity for the next 5 or so years while we win 3 consecutive Super Bowls after signing Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks (While resigning Ben Grubbs, Ray Rice and Ladarius Webb. In my scenario, Flacco is traded and Tyrod Taylor leads us to the promised land 3 years in a row. TYROD).

Ha. And Bengals fans with their $40 million in cap space and two first round picks will be watching you toil under Cam Cameron and Joe Flacco too as your key defenders continue to age.

b316 · 02-08-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

THATS WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT SANTONIO TOO! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

I feel awful for hoping for an all-out Steelers collapse, but it would please me endlessly to watch them toil in obscurity for the next 5 or so years while we win 3 consecutive Super Bowls after signing Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks (While resigning Ben Grubbs, Ray Rice and Ladarius Webb. In my scenario, Flacco is traded and Tyrod Taylor leads us to the promised land 3 years in a row. TYROD).

BastardO!!! *shakes fist in anger.

Mike Wallace has yet to get caught with Weed.

DiG · 02-08-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Washington Redskins $94,351,284

not sure where that site got its info. skins are going to be at $86,920,063.
http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

Also looks like they are going to franchise Fred Davis.

fenikz · 02-08-2012, 11:31 AM

If AZ cuts Levi Brown and Kevin Kolb we save 41 mil, interesting

Razor · 02-08-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Thirty

not sure where that site got its info. skins are going to be at $86,920,063.
http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

Also looks like they are going to franchise Fred Davis.

I think they're including dead money. The figure for the Patriots is about $6 mill higher than other places and the Pats owe roughly $6 mill in dead money.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

If AZ cuts Levi Brown and Kevin Kolb we save 41 mil, interesting

That is...dare I say...Peyton Manning money.

b316 · 02-08-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

If AZ cuts Levi Brown and Kevin Kolb we save 41 mil, interesting

Enough to get P. Manning. Has AZ ever had a good LT or RT?

Nalej · 02-08-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Also, back to the salary cap thing, the Patriots will have $18 million in space and ten thousand draft picks.

If they don't do something to drastically improve the defense and add a deep threat WR then seriously, **** those guys and their conservatism.

my thoughts exactly!

Rosebud · 02-08-2012, 11:37 AM

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I don't see that would help us overall. Yes, we would be better defensively, but our offense would hinder because your talking about letting a Top 10 (in my eyes) WR, a WR whose decent, and the best OG in football walk.

True. I just think that with a league average replacement for Nicks you'll still be able to run the ball, still have a great TE and some solid weapons. Plus I think if they went after the 3 guys I mentioned there'd still be money left over for Meachum. And with Brees and that dome that should more than enough weapons to have an excellent offense, maybe not as explosive as this years and might not put up the yards, but you wouldn't need them to do as much with a great D, and be better suited for playoff football because you're more versatile.

I fully admit that this is all simply because I love watching Spags have talent to work with and in general think that building a great defense is much more important than giving a great QB great weapons.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 02-08-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

If AZ cuts Levi Brown and Kevin Kolb we save 41 mil, interesting

I'd pay $41 million to get rid of Kolb. The fact that you can get rewarded for it should make it a no-brainer.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

I'd pay $41 million to get rid of Kolb. The fact that you can get rewarded for it should make it a no-brainer.

All the better if you get Peyton because no one will be pissy about the wasted draft picks and money paid to Kolb so far because YOU HAVE PEYTON ******* MANNING.

Hang onto Skelton as a backup...nice. There is no reason Arizona SHOULDN'T do it.

Scotty D · 02-08-2012, 11:41 AM

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I'd pay $41 million to get rid of Kolb. The fact that you can get rewarded for it should make it a no-brainer.

I'd give it a bit more time just because they gave up a 1st round and DRC. If he was just a free agent I'd be more for it.

fenikz · 02-08-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Enough to get P. Manning. Has AZ ever had a good LT or RT?

Not in my lifetime aka since they moved to AZ

Reggie Wells is the best I can think of

A Perfect Score · 02-08-2012, 11:44 AM

It's unfortunate Zona got hosed so hard on the Kolb deal, because if DRC ever figures out the intricacies of the CB position he's going to be very, very awesome. He's already good, but he's still young has as much potential as any CB in the league. Plus, PP and DRC would have been an INSANE young duo to build around.

And it's not like anyone thought Kolb would be good. It's another one of those Gabbert situations, where everyone not named Thumper knew he was going to blow enormous donkey ****. Just further evidence that I could, indeed, run an NFL franchise (If you're reading this Steve Biscotti, hook me up with a job. I'll FIRE CAM ******* CAMERON MYSELF!!!)

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

I'd give it a bit more time just because they gave up a 1st round and DRC. If he was just a free agent I'd be more for it.

It was a 2nd round pick and if they can save that much money by getting rid of him now, just do it. Go all in after Peyton Manning and you still have John Skelton as plan B.

fenikz · 02-08-2012, 11:46 AM

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I'd give it a bit more time just because they gave up a 1st round and DRC. If he was just a free agent I'd be more for it.

2nd rounder*

But obviously we only cut Kolb for Peyton, Peyton roster bonus due March 8th, Kolb not til the 14th I think

And DRC just doesn't fit this type of defense sadly someone like Toler who is a solid tackler has more value, but he should be starting over Aso and Asante :)

Shane P. Hallam · 02-08-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

THATS WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT SANTONIO TOO! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

I feel awful for hoping for an all-out Steelers collapse, but it would please me endlessly to watch them toil in obscurity for the next 5 or so years while we win 3 consecutive Super Bowls after signing Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks (While resigning Ben Grubbs, Ray Rice and Ladarius Webb. In my scenario, Flacco is traded and Tyrod Taylor leads us to the promised land 3 years in a row. TYROD).

No way do the Jaguars sign Mario, VJax, and Nicks. That is who you are referencing with "we" isn't it?

A Perfect Score · 02-08-2012, 11:56 AM

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No way do the Jaguars sign Mario, VJax, and Nicks. That is who you are referencing with "we" isn't it?

That joke was funny like, 3 years ago. Not now.

b316 · 02-08-2012, 11:57 AM

HAhah, I remember that. APS said he would become a Jags fan if Flacco was drafted or was it if he did good?

Nalej · 02-08-2012, 11:59 AM

Nope, still funny.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 12:01 PM

Was drafting Flacco really a worse option that dealing with more Kyle Boller?

A Perfect Score · 02-08-2012, 12:04 PM

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Was drafting Flacco really a worse option that dealing with more Kyle Boller?

I was more upset with the fact that we were getting absolutely torched in the secondary and we just refused to draft a CB. It actually took until this year to get that done, oddly enough. I wanted Leodis McKelvin something bad that year at #8 though.

That, and I wasn't a big fan of Flacco as a prospect. Didn't see the accuracy (still don't, consistently anyways) or the pedigree to justify spending a Top 20 pick on him. I wanted us to take Leodis in Round 1 and Chad Henne in Round 2. I was also huge on Mike Jenkins and Brandon Flowers, who we could have got at #26 that year after we traded down.

jrdrylie · 02-08-2012, 12:46 PM

Man I hate how much crap Flacco takes from Baltimore fans. He isn't Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. But he's 44-20 (equivalent to 11-5 per) in the regular season with five playoff wins. He has made the playoffs each of his first four seasons, winning at least one game each year. I'm pretty sure that is the most regular season wins ever in a QB's first four seasons. 80% of the NFL would love to have that kind of success from their QB.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 12:47 PM

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Man I hate how much crap Flacco takes from Baltimore fans. He isn't Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. But he's 44-20 (equivalent to 11-5 per) in the regular season with five playoff wins. He has made the playoffs each of his first four seasons, winning at least one game each year. I'm pretty sure that is the most regular season wins ever in a QB's first four seasons. 80% of the NFL would love to have that kind of success from their QB.

Yeah, he's been a winner, no one would deny this. But his play specifically all those years is rarely above average.

He needs to take that next step to being a legitimate, can carry the team when needed type QB.

A Perfect Score · 02-08-2012, 12:50 PM

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Man I hate how much crap Flacco takes from Baltimore fans. He isn't Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. But he's 44-20 (equivalent to 11-5 per) in the regular season with five playoff wins. He has made the playoffs each of his first four seasons, winning at least one game each year. I'm pretty sure that is the most regular season wins ever in a QB's first four seasons. 80% of the NFL would love to have that kind of success from their QB.

I think most of the frustration comes from the fact that those wins haven't so much been because of Flacco, but in spite of him. While he has been successful in his early days in Baltimore, he's also had the luxury of playing on one of the most talented overall rosters in the NFL during that tenure. Very few teams consistently surround their young QBs with the type of talent the Ravens have, and most of the frustration with him comes from the fact that we very well could have won numerous Superbowls had his development exceeded what it has so far.