2011 OAK Draft Discussion

[_YL_]

Heard little whispers that two OTs Oakland liked were taken Constanzo and Sherrod(?) Oakland do do it hOmeworkoj bowers. I wouldn't be surprised to see a qb selected but Oakland is sitting pretty so much talent there I wouldn't be mad if they traded up bk intO the second

[RaiderNation]

Originally Posted by _YL_

Heard little whispers that two OTs Oakland liked were taken Constanzo and Sherrod(?) Oakland do do it hOmeworkoj bowers. I wouldn't be surprised to see a qb selected but Oakland is sitting pretty so much talent there I wouldn't be mad if they traded up bk intO the second

I am pretty sure Carimi was one of them. Idk what you were trying to say about Bowers, looks like you had trouble typing or using a phone. Hopefully it is that there's a chance we take Bowers, because I still think the risk ia worth it here in the 2nd. Some quality olinemen will be there in the 3rd, and adding a talent like Bowers will greatly improve the defense. I too believe we will move back into the 2nd to land Wisniewski, after either adding a OT or Bowers

[_YL_]

Yeah my iPhone was lagging really bad last night. Oakland has done there home work on his as in talking to him and if im not mistaking even bringing him in for a visit. But where would he play honestly he wouldn't see the field much Wimbley puts his hand in the ground on passing downs got Trevor Scott still and a young upcoming Matt Shaughnessy who deserves more 3rd down snaps. Just to much talent on the defense line already and not enough snaps for everyone.

What im hoping for is Ryan Mallett or Ben Ijalana and then a trade up back into the late second and pick lil Wiz

[Stash]

We got Wiz!

[RaiderNation]

2 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State Grade: A-
3 DeMarcus Van Dyke CB Miami Grade: C
3 Joe Barksdale OL LSU Grade: B

As we all thought lil Wis ended up in Oakland, and is already being thought of as our starting Center. Big upgrade over Satele IMO, and will hopefully bring the leadership and stability we need for our oline.

Another pick we all saw coming in Van Dyke, just wish it would have been in the 3rd/4th. The guy has potential, but he needs to add atleast 15lbs or he will be man handled by some WR's. He likely will get time to develop though, Routt and Chris Johnson should be the starters

Barksdale is an interesting pick for us, who could project to either RT or OG depending on what we want to do with Bruce Campbell. Very experienced propsect who excells at run blocking which is what we are looking for. If I had to bet, I would think he slides inside to OG and Campbell gets the nod to be our RT

Overall:Solid 2nd day, we might have found 2 starters on the oline and a high potential CB to develop. We have a good history in developing CB's so theres hope for Van Dyke. There is no question in my mind Wisniewski will atleast be an upgrade over Satele, and could even be a Pro Bowl type center for us down the road. We have had decent success at drafting oline as of late, and Barksdale could be a nice starter hopefully for us too.

I am hoping we address OLB, another OL and a TE with our first 3 picks tomorrow. Miller could be gone so dont be surprised if we go TE early

[_YL_]

Wisniewski and Barksdale will both have to step up and more then likely have to play this year. Cause lack of depth on the offense line and potentially short period of free agency will force these players to play sooner then expected. So hopefully Barksdale is ready to play.

[RaiderNation]

You have any info YL on what positions we are thinking? I think we could see something like this...

4th:Casey Matthews LB Oregon/Chris Carter LB Fresno State-Both fit at OLB for us, which is our next big need

4th:Jordan Cameron TE USC-We seem to be interested in adding another TE, and this guy is a freak athlete

5th:Marcus Cannon OL TCU-Remember the Michael Bush pick, this can be the next guy we sit for a year, then get huge results once fully healthy

6th:Joe Lefeged DB Rutgers/Keanemana Silva DB Hawaii-Both have worked out very well and could be nice special teams guys early

7th:Josh Portis QB California-PA- The only QB left we have publicly scouted, he has some potential if he keeps his head on straight

[RaiderNation]

We add Chimidi Chekwa for Ohio State. This all be seals the door on Nnamdi. 2 CB's so far. Hopefully we add another olinemen!!

[Stash]

Wow; no LB's or DT's, DVD in the 3rd, and questionable final four picks (probably don't need any of those guys). Not liking the Raiders draft at this point in time.

[thenewfeature06]

We had a C draft at best... :( I am glad our first pick was logical..

DVD is straight.. and Barksdale adds depth so down the line maybe it turns into a better draft than it was viewed but we'll see. I do like Denarious Moore thoooooooooo! & Ausberry.

[RaiderNation]

Ya it's hard to fall in love with this class, but overall I think it's a solid class if we can bring back Bush, Huff and others. I'd probably grade it as a B- or C+. I think we drafted our long term Center in Wisniewski, 2 high potential CB's, Barksdale could end up being a solid RG for us, Taiwan was a steal in the 4th and gives us another weapon on offense and the return game, I like the Moore kid for Tennessee and think he might be able to contribute early, the TE we drafted looks like a solid blocker to help the run game and Ausberry has some potential as a late round pick. Nothing real special, but I think we will end up with a few decent players to help us keep improving off last year. You have to remember that F/A will happen as well so we probably will look for a veteran olinemen or 2 and also a FS depending on what happens with Huff

[Jensen]

Not sure where to put this, but former UNC OL Alan Pelc has signed with the Raiders.

[rickscott]

Why was Stanford Routt released. He's seems to be a pretty good cover corner

[Nalej]

Originally Posted by rickscott

Why was Stanford Routt released. He's seems to be a pretty good cover corner

I'd like to know as well

[nobodyinparticular]

Originally Posted by Nalej

I'd like to know as well

It seems McKenzie is wanting to go through the "dead cap" year as soon as possible rather than trying to re-tool under the cap every single year. Get rid of the guys with bloated contracts this season. The Raiders will have to deal with a lot of dead cap space in 2012, but that will make things easier for them in 2013 and beyond.

Personally, I say go all in on the defensive side of the ball. Seymour, Huff, Curry, Eugene, Henderson, etc.

[RaiderNation]

Routt was one of the most penalized players in the league last year, and we simply can't pay him that type of money moving forward and releasing him was the only option. Expect to see Wimbley, Huff and Seymour all to be talked to about restructuring. If they don't they will be gone as well. We can't afford to pay average players this type of money and need cap room for the future.

[Abaddon]

17 penalties: Most in NFL

9 TDs allowed: Most in NFL

I give him a partial pass due to the incompetence of our UFL defensive coordinator, but only a partial pass. He is routinely among the most flagged DBs in the league. He's also quite useless in zone coverages. Not entirely his fault. Under Al Davis' watch, the Raiders didn't practice playing zone very much. Very little, reportedly.

He's a good press man corner with long speed. But that's about it. If your defense needs a corner to play a lot of zone and press bail, Routt will get exposed until he can be coached up and (hopefully) learn to understand zone responsibilities and how to not get flagged for holding and PI.

In the end, he's a track guy with a limited skill set making shutdown corner money, including $5 million in roster bonus on Friday. Reggie made the right call. The only call there was to make.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

It seems McKenzie is wanting to go through the "dead cap" year as soon as possible rather than trying to re-tool under the cap every single year. Get rid of the guys with bloated contracts this season. The Raiders will have to deal with a lot of dead cap space in 2012, but that will make things easier for them in 2013 and beyond.

Personally, I say go all in on the defensive side of the ball. Seymour, Huff, Curry, Eugene, Henderson, etc.

Even then, with all the contracts structured with huge base salaries, we'll have more than enough to play with to replace them.

[Abaddon]

Somebody unsticky this relic, eh?