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Old 02-14-2012, 08:52 PM    (permalink
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You also seem to neglect to mention that the rest of the draft sucked pretty bad.
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You also seem to neglect to mention that the rest of the draft sucked pretty bad.
That 1st round can put up an argument against any, especially if you factor in the star power of the top 5. Laron Landry, Marshawn Lynch, Lawrence Timmons, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Jon Beason, Joe Staley, Benn Grubbs, Greg Olsen.



That's half the round, and those are all some pretty good starters.
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49ers did pretty good in this draft overall. Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Goldson, and Tarrell Brown. 5 starters and they were all pretty good except for maybe Brown, who was more above-average ish. By far our best draft in a while.
Pretty Good? You come our of any draft with 5 quality starters, you win.
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You also seem to neglect to mention that the rest of the draft sucked pretty bad.
The first two rounds overall were awesome.. maybe not for every team but still. But to your point, how many times an ENTIRE draft class turns out great?
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Also it seems that if your team didn't had an awsome draft like the Steelers, Jets or 49ers; you had a horrible draft like the Broncos, Raiders, etc.
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1 21 Reggie Nelson
Good rookie season, fell off the face of a cliff after that. Decent starter in CIN now.

2 48 Justin Durant
Solid player, albeit inconsistent and injury prone. Starter in Detroit last year, I believe.

3 79 Mike Walker
Decent player, glass knees. Was a solid #2 before his latest knee injuries sapped the last bit of explosion he had left.

4 101 Adam Podlesh
Good punter who they let walk because they wanted a "directional kicker."

4 113 Brian Smith
Damaged goods. Never played a down in the NFL because of a hip injury he sustained in college.

5 149 Uche Nwaneri

Has turned into the best player on the offensive line.

5 150 Josh Gattis
Out of NFL.

5 166 Derek Landri
Decent rotational DT. In Philly now.

7 229 John Broussard
Out of NFL.

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How does Mike Z seem to get the best out of all these leftover players?

The Bengals D should be trash considering how some of the players played with their previous teams, but then they meet Zimmer and he turns **** into metal.

How is this guy not a HC yet?
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The first two rounds overall were awesome.. maybe not for every team but still. But to your point, how many times an ENTIRE draft class turns out great?
Our terrible 2007 was acceptable based on the pure gold we got out of 06. Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Dumervil. We then flipped everyone except Doom for absolute crap.
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Really glad the Seahawks basically got Deion Branch with their first round pick that year. 2300 yards in four and a half seasons with the team. Woo.
Thanks for Brandon Meriw... :(
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Our terrible 2007 was acceptable based on the pure gold we got out of 06. Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Dumervil. We then flipped everyone except Doom for absolute crap.
Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder=not acceptable.

Marcus Thomas has found a way to survive 2 coaching changes, 5 defensive coordinators, a change to the 3-4 and back to the 4-3, while being a mediocre at best player. I don't understand the NFL sometimes.

Ryan Harris was the only guy who did something good for us. One of the top RT's in the league his only year starting, then injuries took over his career.

So sad.

2006 draft was GREAT... freaking McD.
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Can you guys trade Ryan Clady to the steelers?
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Can you guys trade Ryan Clady to the steelers?
I don't see the logic in such a move
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1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2. Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State
3a. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
3b. Mario Henderson, OL, Florida State
3c. Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP
4a. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
4b. John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
5a. Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
5b. Eric Frampton, S, Washington State
6. Oren O'Neal, FB, Arkansas State
7. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech

At least the Raiders got Miller and Bush out of it...
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man i remember gaines adams doing OLB drills at the combine just masterfully...i loved him
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2007 was a great draft. I felt like everybody should have known that Joe Thomas, Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Gaines Adams, and LaRon Landry were going to be instant Pro Bowlers. Gaines wasn't, but those were some talented prototype kind of guys. I understood why a team might draft Jamarcus Russell in the top 10, but never in a million years over players like those. They might as well have been Orlando Pace, Randy Moss, Jim Brown, Ray Lewis, Michael Strahan, and Ronnie Lott.

Throw in the fact that they were the unquestioned guys at the top of their positions heading into the year and then performed well and stayed at the top. Plus put up insane combine numbers and blew every doubt out of the water.
I don't think you understand how pathetic the Raider offense was in 2006. The team scored more than 14 points 4 times in the entire season. They had a high-water mark of 22 points in a game and that was against the lowly Arizona Cardinals. The team threw for a total of 7 TD passes in the entire season. The three QBs who attempted passes for the team were Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks and Marques Tuiasosopo.

The team QB rating was 56.2 and no QB had a rating higher than 62.0. no Qb had a TD:INT ratio better matching 1:2. Yeah. You read that right.

The team scored a total of 168 points in the entire season. Only 4 other teams have scored less than 170 points in a 16 game season. They put up just over 10 points per game, meaning it was like they played the 2000 Baltimore Ravens every week for the entire season.

I will say again, this team played Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks and Marques Tuiasosopo at QB in the 2006 season. They needed a QB in the 2007 draft.

That is why they selected Jamarcus Russell.
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^^^so they basically had three Blaine Gabberts?
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Also, say what you want about Russell's off-field concerns, but on the field, the dude could play. People like to talk about him like he was Kyle Boller, an arm and nothing else. But he had great pocket mobility and accuracy to go along with the arm. He should have been a better Ben Roethlisberger. On the field, a great QB prospect.
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I don't think you understand how pathetic the Raider offense was in 2006. The team scored more than 14 points 4 times in the entire season. They had a high-water mark of 22 points in a game and that was against the lowly Arizona Cardinals. The team threw for a total of 7 TD passes in the entire season. The three QBs who attempted passes for the team were Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks and Marques Tuiasosopo.

The team QB rating was 56.2 and no QB had a rating higher than 62.0. no Qb had a TD:INT ratio better matching 1:2. Yeah. You read that right.

The team scored a total of 168 points in the entire season. Only 4 other teams have scored less than 170 points in a 16 game season. They put up just over 10 points per game, meaning it was like they played the 2000 Baltimore Ravens every week for the entire season.

I will say again, this team played Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks and Marques Tuiasosopo at QB in the 2006 season. They needed a QB in the 2007 draft.

That is why they selected Jamarcus Russell.
It was still a poor decision in hindsight and realtime. The Raiders had never shown the patience to develop a QB, especially one with poor work habits (which we knew after the combine that year). They hit on Tim Brown/Marcus Allen type college superstars at the skill positions which is why they should have gone Calvin or Adrian.

I was actually surprised when Al pulled the trigger on Russell.
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Also, say what you want about Russell's off-field concerns, but on the field, the dude could play. People like to talk about him like he was Kyle Boller, an arm and nothing else. But he had great pocket mobility and accuracy to go along with the arm. He should have been a better Ben Roethlisberger. On the field, a great QB prospect.
I wouldn't say great. Controversial. Great if you fall in love with arm strength. Not so great if you value football intelligence and quick processing of info, and work ethic... many predicted Russell would be a bust.
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Hearing Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter helps to bring back the memories. I think its safe to say that 2007 should be a clear example of the "Golden Rule" failing a franchise.
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How does Mike Z seem to get the best out of all these leftover players?

The Bengals D should be trash considering how some of the players played with their previous teams, but then they meet Zimmer and he turns **** into metal.

How is this guy not a HC yet?
I am a big Zimmer fan and he's been the best Bengals D coordinator in at least a decade, but the reclamation projects on the Bengals D are not quite as impressive as you maybe give them credit for.

The Bengals D finished middle of the pack this past season and the best players were almost all Bengals draft picks (Leon Hall, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Domata Peko, Frostee Rucker, Rey Maualuga, etc.).

Of the reclamation types, Reggie Nelson made some positive plays, but also had some pretty terrible plays that led to long TDs also. The guy is frustrating as hell to watch. Pacman was the same way, with less good plays. Really the only reclamation type that I thought was above average as a starter was Thomas Howard. That guy was extremely solid and made a lot of nice plays with very few mistakes.
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As far as the Bengals 2007 draft, Leon Hall at #18 overall was a good pick. I was really hoping that Revis fell to us but the Jets traded up to 14 or 15 take him (and he probably wouldn't have made it past the Steelers anyway).

The worst part of the draft was that everyone in the world knew the Bengals badly needed a LB (Pollack had broken his neck and Odell Thurman was on crack) so a couple teams traded ahead of the Bengals in the 2nd round and there was a mini-run on LBs with Lamar Woodley, David Harris and Justin Durant all going right before our pick. The Bengals said they had been targeting Harris, but the Jets again traded up and got our guy.

With all the LBs gone, it led to RB Kenny Irons of Auburn being the pick. He tore up his knee in the preseason and never played a regular season snap for the Bengals.

The Bengals sometimes get lucky by sitting tight and hoping their guy falls to them (last year with Dalton) instead of trading up. But they are incredibly transparent as to who they are targeting and often it leads to teams jumping right ahead of them to snap up the Bengals' target. 2007 was one of those years where it happened and really hurt.
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1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Turk McBride
3. Tank Tyler
5. Kolby Smith
5. Justin Medlock
6. Herb Taylor
7. Michael Allan

Basically awful outside of Bowe. Everyone else is with a new team.
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1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Turk McBride
3. Tank Tyler
5. Kolby Smith
5. Justin Medlock
6. Herb Taylor
7. Michael Allan

Basically awful outside of Bowe. Everyone else is with a new team.
At least your first round pick is alive... :\
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