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Even though I'm kind of moving away from the old school train of thought that the two safeties should play vastly different roles.

It's just tough to find safeties who can cover well, and play against the run consistently. Eric Berry-types are rare and the overall safety quality in the entire league is extremely low. It might be the worst overall position in the league.
Early in his career, when Griff still hit, I wanted him moved to SS and to go get a FS. Now that Griff won't hit anymore, that would be a horrible move
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I'm willing to trade whatever it takes to secure DeCastro in the draft. I'm that sold on him. Put him next to Roos or Stewart and watch the lanes part like the Red Sea.
DeCastro would be a solid pick, however I saw an interview with Munch that said the Titans wouldn't take a lineman 1st round because "the first round is for tackles, and we're set there"

I'd look for a couple guys, Kevin Zeitler, Amini Silatolu and Senio Kelemete in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
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DeCastro would be a solid pick, however I saw an interview with Munch that said the Titans wouldn't take a lineman 1st round because "the first round is for tackles, and we're set there"

I'd look for a couple guys, Kevin Zeitler, Amini Silatolu and Senio Kelemete in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
Wow, did he really say that? I hope he's just deflecting away the team's intentions because otherwise that is an incredibly ignorant thing to say.

Steve Hutchinson, Logan Mankins, Mike Iupati, Nick Mangold, Maurkice Pouncey, the list goes on of great interior linemen that have been selected in the first round. Granted, it's a rarity that a guard or center prospect warrants a high pick but when they do, they're absolutely worth it. I can't find a single first round interior linemen from the past ten drafts that didn't pan out.
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"Webster said it's a great crop of defensive ends in this year's draft which fits his team's needs." - Jim Wyatt

Am I the only one that disagrees with this? I think it's a fairly crappy year for 4-3 ends in my opinion. I'm kind of hoping the Titans are just sending out smokescreens at this point because so far I'm thinking the opposite of this draft than they are. Pass rushers are poor, and interior o-line is elite and should be considered in the first.
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To me, only DeCastro or Konz should even be considered in the first. At DE, Coples, Perry, Ingram would all be reasonable at pick 20.

I really like Andre Branch and Vinny Curry, but I'm not sure if they hold value at #20.

I doubt DeCastro falls that far IMO, and I really do like Zeitler, and Amini Silatolu alot
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I'm not really a fan of any of the "top" DEs in this class for various reasons. I'd consider DeCastro, Konz, and even Cordy Glenn in the first round though.
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I'd actually probably prefer to trade down if possible and get a interior lineman or DE.

At 20, the only DE i'd probably take is Coples right now. I'm not a big fan of Perry or Ingram right now because they seem to rely too much on speed
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DT isn't a glaring need, but if Brockers or Poe fell to 20 I'd be on that like donkey kong.
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I'd consider Brockers, not buying the Poe hype
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So lately I've been thinking about our second round pick more. I've come to the belief that if we do a good enough job of filling needs in FA and the 1st round, I might actually enjoy us taking a TE in the 2nd round of the draft if it's Fleener, Charles, or Allen. I like 2 TE sets, and I think it would add more to the offense than another wide receiver at this point. If Fleener somehow fell that far I don't think there should even be any hesitation.
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If we satisfy all other needs, maybe. But i'd put TE pretty far down the list as far as what we need to complete this team. If we are going to improve, there are some things that absolutely have to happen, the biggest one being improving the pass rush. Nick Perry is the guy thats really intriguing to me. It also wouldnt hurt to have another good linebacker at some point.
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The Titans will have enough money in FA to go after Carl Nicks. If they could sign him and draft Peter Konz in the draft that offensive line would be one of the best in the NFL.

You could probably still have enough money to sign Rocky McIntosh and Tracy Porter along with other FAs, especially if you cut Weatherspoon and restructure Hasselbeck's deal.
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I doubt we pick a TE early after signing Craig Stevens to a extension.
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I doubt we pick a TE early after signing Craig Stevens to a extension.
Eh, I don't think having Craig Stevens ever decides any personnel moves. Stevens is an ST's/blocking TE, and really, is a glorified Ben Hartsock. We didn't break the bank for him, and considering the rookie would be taking Daniel Graham's roster spot, we'd have three TE's with all three having decent sized roles.

I've been wanting a really good all-around TE for a while now, but since Cook ended the season very strongly, I've softened. But as much as I like Cookie, he probably won't ever bring the blocking aspect to make him all-around elite. And subbing Cook, a primary receiver, for Stevens, a primary blocker, gives our already predictable rushing plays away (We ran off the fullback's side practically every play last year). That's on tape now. I don't care if we somehow add DeCastro, Konz, AND Nicks - If the defense knows it's a run, and they know which side they're running it off of, then CJ will continue to struggle.

At this point, I just want somebody who can do both at a startable level. If all of our needs are filled through FA and the 1st RD (1 elite pass-rusher/2 inside OL's/1 strong safety), then I'd be totally up for drafting Coby Fleener. He's my #1 TE in this draft, and I'm all for giving Locker all the weapons he'd ever need. Two TE sets with CJ in the backfield, Britt on the outside, and Locker's athletic ability would give defenses fits. I think we're looking at a pretty potent offense as it is, assuming we replace Scott with a stud.

But if all of our needs are met, then we'll be going BPA, so there's no telling who'll be available. But then again, Fleener would be an amazing value in the 2nd RD, so that may be a moot point.
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I think we gave Stevens 4m a year, that's a lot for him IMO.

Needless to say I think we have a lot bigger needs than TE
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I think we gave Stevens 4m a year, that's a lot for him IMO.

Needless to say I think we have a lot bigger needs than TE
Still haven't a clue how his agent swung that. Hopefully it's backloaded like Beyonce.

The FO's move with TE's has always puzzled me. Hated the Craig Stevens pick, and thought a 3rd RD'er for him at the time was a tough bullet. Then sending a future 2nd RD'er to New England for Jared Cook came out of no where, and was just, if I remember right, two drafts after taking Stevens, who hadn't had a real opportunity yet with Scaife and Crumpler ahead of him. Then now, this Stevens re-signing for a guy who hasn't done much to speak of, and may not even be as good of a blocking TE to deserve that much.

I agree that it probably won't happen and other needs are much more pressing, and if we did have all those needs already addressed, going BPA at a position much more important than TE would probably be better, but still, I do think having either a strict receiving TE or strict blocking TE in at a time is extremely detrimental to the offensive gameplan (although good things would come out with both in together, since if you load Stevens's side, you take coverage away from Cook's side, and if you slide coverage to Cook's side, it means better angles for CJ). And if we can solve that, and add a weapon for Locker in the process, then it's a pick well used in my view. But perhaps this extension for Stevens is the coaches' way of saying they expect Stevens to really improve this season and onward.
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That probably means Mike Huff will be cut, I wouldn't mind him here instead Griffin.
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Still haven't a clue how his agent swung that. Hopefully it's backloaded like Beyonce.

The FO's move with TE's has always puzzled me. Hated the Craig Stevens pick, and thought a 3rd RD'er for him at the time was a tough bullet. Then sending a future 2nd RD'er to New England for Jared Cook came out of no where, and was just, if I remember right, two drafts after taking Stevens, who hadn't had a real opportunity yet with Scaife and Crumpler ahead of him. Then now, this Stevens re-signing for a guy who hasn't done much to speak of, and may not even be as good of a blocking TE to deserve that much.

I agree that it probably won't happen and other needs are much more pressing, and if we did have all those needs already addressed, going BPA at a position much more important than TE would probably be better, but still, I do think having either a strict receiving TE or strict blocking TE in at a time is extremely detrimental to the offensive gameplan (although good things would come out with both in together, since if you load Stevens's side, you take coverage away from Cook's side, and if you slide coverage to Cook's side, it means better angles for CJ). And if we can solve that, and add a weapon for Locker in the process, then it's a pick well used in my view. But perhaps this extension for Stevens is the coaches' way of saying they expect Stevens to really improve this season and onward.
I agree the front office makes some questionable TE moves, although I like Cook and think he can develop into a top TE in the league. I think you can get decent blocking and pass catching TE's in FA or relatively late in the draft. I haven't looked much into Stevens' contract, but it just looks like a lot from a production standpoint, even if you figure he's a great blocking TE, on the open market teams don't pay big money for blockings TE's.
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That probably means Mike Huff will be cut, I wouldn't mind him here instead Griffin.
I agree, in the past few years I've really been kind of disappointed in us not taking the initiative to improve our DB in FA. In the past year I wanted Michael Huff, Carlos Rogers and Donte Whitner. All had good years, and outside of Huff, Rogers and Whitner came with a very reasonable price tag.

Huff's 2012 salary is fully guaranteed, but there is a $4m roster bonus due to him on the 16th. So if they keep him they'll be paying him $8m if they cut him they'll be paying him $4m

Some fans have thrown out moving Verner or McCourty to FS, resigning Babs and going out and getting a Cb in FA or the draft. While the draft is deep at CB, I'd rather get a CB that can move to S in the draft, Barron is the only S worth a first but we could get Kirkpatrick and move to FS.

I think moving a college CB to FS would be better than taking one of our proven CBs and moving them. We could move Campbell if needed
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Take it with a grain of salt because it's Jason La Confora, but he's saying the Titans are mulling between tagging Jason Jones and Finnegan. I would think they'd have to be leaning towards Jones if this is true because he seems less likely to hold out if he got tagged. The only thing is, would he be tagged as an end or a tackle? The Titans would obviously prefer the cheaper option, but then Jones and his agent will probably argue for the more pricey one.
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This was supposedly a couple of minutes down the road from me.

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According to Adam Schefter twitter we are most likely going to tag Mike Griffin :(.
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