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View Poll Results: Tannehill or Flynn; who would you ride your career on between these 2
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:59 AM    (permalink
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Default Ryan Tannehill or Matt Flynn

Let's say you're Miami and you choose not to roll the dice on Manning (or Manning is physically unable to play again).

Which of these 2 guys do you ride your career on:
Matt Flynn or Ryan Tannehill?


Keep in mind a head coach can be out of there in 3 years, maybe even 2 if they go badly. Look at the Chiefs and Bucs... both went 10-6 last year, then a year later they're both fired. (Haley and Raheem Morris).

Miami needs a starter right now, not a guy who is going to need 2 years watching & learning.

Also, be real here. I'm trying to gauge the confidence-level people really of on what Tannehill will do at this level, and what they think Flynn will do at this level, not on the Packers with their juggernaut of elite first-round stable WRs.



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What does Flynn cost me? Tannehill likely costs the eighth pick. The GM business is about "making the best use of your resources" more than anything else.
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Flynn is in the Henne, Cassel, Campbell group, which is good enough for backup, but not good enough long term. Tannehill is an unknown, but with Pro Bowl upside. I dont think there is much question.

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What does Flynn cost me? Tannehill likely costs the eighth pick. The GM business is about "making the best use of your resources" more than anything else.
But then Flynn will cost you 10 million and Tannehill about 5 million or whatever the new rookie wage scale numbers would make it.
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Flynn is in the Henne, Cassel, Campbell group, which is good enough for backup, but not good enough long term. Tannehill is an unknown, but with Pro Bowl upside. I dont think there is much question.

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Why is Flynn not good enough for long term? He hasnt had the oppourtunity so we dont know what he's going to do when he gets the chance.
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But then Flynn will cost you 10 million and Tannehill about 5 million or whatever the new rookie wage scale numbers would make it.
I have to know the numbers here before I can make a choice. If Flynn is tagged, it costs me a pick (probably #41 or #72) but I get him for cheaper. If Flynn is a free agent, I have to win a bidding war.

There's too many unknowns here.
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Great poll. I'd expect this one to be very close. I like Tanny's upside more. He's only been QB for 1.5 years...
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B/w one or the other, if I'm the head coach (Philbin) and I'm mildly concerned about my future, I take Flynn, provided the finances fit into my long range picture. He's a far safer bet to be decent-solid than Tannehill, though I really like Ryan. If I'm the GM (Ireland), I take Tannehill and try to sell my owner that my plan is to build an exciting young offense around a strong-armed QB, so give me at least 3-4 years.

That said, I'd rather go Tannehill and a cheap veteran option, say, a Brian Hoyer.
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I'd take my gamble on Matt Flynn and it's not even close.
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B/w one or the other, if I'm the head coach (Philbin) and I'm mildly concerned about my future, I take Flynn, provided the finances fit into my long range picture. He's a far safer bet to be decent-solid than Tannehill, though I really like Ryan. If I'm the GM (Ireland), I take Tannehill and try to sell my owner that my plan is to build an exciting young offense around a strong-armed QB, so give me at least 3-4 years.

That said, I'd rather go Tannehill and a cheap veteran option, say, a Brian Hoyer.
I couldn't agree more.

From our perspective it's so easy to take a cavalier approach and say I'd take this guy because his upside is insane, or I'd give up so many draft picks to get this guy etc.

But if I'm a head coach (particularly a first time head coach) I don't want to hitch my wagon to a guy who I'm not sure on, especially if I'm giving up the 8th pick overall.

Matt Flynn is a guy who has shown he can play in the league (even though it is a small sample size) plus he will also cost less in terms of draft picks. I would find it very hard to turn down taking him plus a potential elite guy at 8.

Bring in Matt Flynn who knows the offense and give him Justin Blackmon who would be a great fit in the system. It is way easier to feel confident about that than Tannehill and, say, Stephen Hill in the second.

With that being said, if I'm the GM who the owner has recently given a vote of confidence to by keeping him while getting rid of the previous coaching staff I am selling a multi year vision. Tannehill's upside is a top 10 QB in the NFL (Flynn isn't). I want to take him at 8, ease him into a starting role and expect to really start challenging in a year or two. I'm telling Stephen Ross this guy isn't going to come in straight away and be like Cam Newton, he isn't going to be like RG3 or Andrew Luck. But with the right development he has the potential to be the best of the bunch.

It will be interesting to watch the dynamic in Miami. If they go Tannehill it will tell you that Philbin isn't the guy making the decisions.
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Great poll. I'd expect this one to be very close. I like Tanny's upside more. He's only been QB for 1.5 years...
This could be a what would Seattle do question because it may come down to those two. I might be in the minority but for where the Seahawks defense is right now i think the window is slightly ajar for a Matt Flynn to get them to a Superbowl. Hasselbeck was good enough (and should of won) so why not Flynn.
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Flynn isn't as large of an investment and within a year or so you should have a good idea whether or not he is any good while being able to invest picks elsewhere on the offensive side of the ball to help him out (especially if you are a team like Cleveland or Miami.)
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I picked Tannehill, but it's close.
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Flynn isn't as large of an investment and within a year or so you should have a good idea whether or not he is any good while being able to invest picks elsewhere on the offensive side of the ball to help him out (especially if you are a team like Cleveland or Miami.)
Exactly. I posted a while ago saying that teams interested in Flynn will be evaluating him like a draft prospect. With only two games they will have to go back to his LSU tape and look at the improvement he has made. But he has sat for four years now. He probably isn't going to improve much more. If he doesn't cut it by the end of his first year (especially if he goes to Miami) then he just probably isn't going to cut it. Tannehill has a good few years of development before you know what you have. Now that's both a good thing and a bad thing.

You know if he isn't great after year one that he is still developng, but you are tying yourself down for probably at least 3 years with him.
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If I only have maybe 2 years, I'll sign Flynn. Is he a franchise QB? Not sure, but he has less of a curve than Tannehill will (as much as I like Tannehill)
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Great poll. I'd expect this one to be very close. I like Tanny's upside more. He's only been QB for 1.5 years...
Flynn is gonna cost _____ we don't know but we can guess.
Tannehill is gonna go, now, somewhere in the #10-#25 range according to various guesses.

Flynn has never shown that he can last a whole NFL season.
But we all know what he has shown in 2 starts.
In the NFL.
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Flynn is gonna cost _____ we don't know but we can guess.
Tannehill is gonna go, now, somewhere in the #10-#25 range according to various guesses.

Flynn has never shown that he can last a whole NFL season.
But we all know what he has shown in 2 starts.
In the NFL.
Flynn is going to cost at most a second round pick (maybe with a late rounder thrown in). With Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Manning etc there aren't enough teams with huge QB needs that will feel comfortable giving up a first.

There's not a huge difference in taking Flynn who will be 27 and only has two career starts over Brandon Weeden. Flynn obviously has the edge from the fact that he has been in the NFL, he has played in games and has had success. But you can't use the arguement that Weeden will only give you one full contract, and thus isn't worth a first, and not have a similar view of Flynn. The only difference is you're going to be paying Flynn upwards of $8 million a year compared to a lot less for Weeden.
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is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.
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Flynn is gonna cost _____ we don't know but we can guess.
Tannehill is gonna go, now, somewhere in the #10-#25 range according to various guesses.

Flynn has never shown that he can last a whole NFL season.
But we all know what he has shown in 2 starts.
In the NFL.
It is beginning to look like Tannehill goes in the #6-#12 range.

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is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.
If Washington can't get up for RG3 I could see them taking him at 6. Miami, if they don't get up to 2 or get Manning/Flynn may take him at 8. Seattle probably won't let him get past 12 at the latest.
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is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.
If Christian Ponder is a top 12 pick, then Ryan Tannehill is a top 12 pick. Neither guy has any business getting picked there except "teams, especially bad teams, need QBs."

(I'm not saying that Ponder and Tannehill are similar prospects, they're not. It's just that they have similar grades for different reasons. Ponder is a guy with limited upside but seemed to be "pro ready", whereas Tannehill is a guy who needs a whole lot of development but his upside is tremendous. Both ought to be "bottom of the first/top of the second" kind of prospects, but they're quarterbacks so they weren't and won't be.)
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It all depends, with a rookie QB you usually get more time than with a veteran one. I think if i was a new rookie coach I'd go grab a rookie QB and we'd grow together and probably have 3-4 years for sure to prove ourselves (as long as we didn't post any 1-2 win horrible seasons). If I'm a coach that's already been at my current place a year or two and am on the edge and need to win now, I'd go Flynn
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is tannehill really a top 10 pick? he seems late 1st at best. Other guys like Foles, Osweiler and Weeden in the same convo.
It's time to accept he's going to go top-15.
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If Christian Ponder is a top 12 pick, then Ryan Tannehill is a top 12 pick.
I would agree if Tannehill had a great Senior Bowl and all the signature wins that Ponder had. as the Packers scout article points out, look at Tannehill on tape he makes a ton of great plays and a ton of bad plays too. All the A&M coaches got fired. He didn't have the type of career to justify a top 10 pick, with no senior bowl.
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I would agree if Tannehill had a great Senior Bowl and all the signature wins that Ponder had. as the Packers scout article points out, look at Tannehill on tape he makes a ton of great plays and a ton of bad plays too. All the A&M coaches got fired. He didn't have the type of career to justify a top 10 pick, with no senior bowl.
Not saying Tannehill SHOULD go in the Top 10-15, but he is heads and tails above Osweiler and Foles, and much more upside than Weeden to me.

If a guy is graded as the definite 3rd QB (not saying NFL teams do evaluate him that way, many won't. Some may have Osweiler or Cousins or Weeden or whoever,) and there is a clear separation between him and the next best QB, he may be worth reaching on to make sure you get him.

There was buzz out there after last year that the Redskins traded down and would have taken Ponder in the 1st at their spot. They missed out and suffered a year with Beck/Grossman. If you like the QB, take him where you have to.
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