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Old 03-09-2012, 08:47 PM    (permalink
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Make the NCAA. The NIT is embarrassing; they should do away with it.
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12) Illinois
13) Arizona
Why? I don't see either as big time basketball programs. Maybe I'm missing something...
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You think Maryland is really that high?
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This got me thinking about what the top 15 jobs in college basketball are. Any disagreements?

1) UNC
2) Duke
3) Kentucky
4) UCLA
5) Syracuse
6) UConn
7) Kansas

These are the no brainers. Then I would go:

8) Michigan State
9) Indiana
10) Louisville
11) Georgetown
12) Illinois
13) Arizona
14) Ohio State
15) Maryland

Disagreements? It gets a little more fluid after 11.
I don't disagree with the teams you included, but I would bump Indiana up and consider Florida and Texas as well, despite them being football schools.
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You think Maryland is really that high?
I'm having trouble coming up with teams that really belong in the top 15, though.

Many really good teams, perennially, have major football teams that take the limelight, recruiting money, and whatnot.
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Why? I don't see either as big time basketball programs. Maybe I'm missing something...
Arizona just had a 25 year NCAA tourney streak snapped. And Illinois regularly produces top talent.
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-The only thing Illinois is really missing is a national championship. Illinois is a basketball school first, have great fan support, a great recruiting base, and a history of success (9 elite eights, 5 final fours).

-Lute Olson put Arizona basketball among the elites in the country. And unlike at Illinois, Arizona has won a national championship, and made another championship game (along with many final four and elite eight appearances).

-Maryland is basically the same story as the other two.


I'm not sure what teams have a much stronger argument. Michigan? Purdue? Pitt? Marquette? Villanova? Those were probably my next 5, but I think all have more flaws.
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This got me thinking about what the top 15 jobs in college basketball are. Any disagreements?

1) UNC
2) Duke
3) Kentucky
4) UCLA
5) Syracuse
6) UConn
7) Kansas

These are the no brainers. Then I would go:

8) Michigan State
9) Indiana
10) Louisville
11) Georgetown
12) Illinois
13) Arizona
14) Ohio State
15) Maryland

Disagreements? It gets a little more fluid after 11.
Kansas 7th? It should be in the top 5 just based on history. UConn and Syracuse are products of Boeheim and Calhoun. They wouldn't be that dominate without them. And kids like good weather.

And I'm an Illini fan, but it's not as prestigious as Ohio State and Arizona. I'd put Texas 16th. NC State, Michigan, and Wisconsin are honorable mentions.
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UConn and Syracuse are products of Boeheim and Calhoun. They wouldn't be that dominate without them.
You could say the same about Duke, they were garbage before coach K. But at this point they are just good programs that could sustain a coaching change.
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They aren't all in order. I would put Kansas above Syracuse and UConn too, that was just my top 7.

Although I do chuckle at the notion that Kansas is desirable because of its weather.
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Kansas 7th? It should be in the top 5 just based on history. UConn and Syracuse are products of Boeheim and Calhoun. They wouldn't be that dominate without them. And kids like good weather.

And I'm an Illini fan, but it's not as prestigious as Ohio State and Arizona. I'd put Texas 16th. NC State, Michigan, and Wisconsin are honorable mentions.
Wisconsin? Football comes first there and the high schools are filled with awkward 3 point shooting white kids. It's pretty amazing what Bo Ryan has done there but I don't think it's anything special as a program.
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Yeah I would much rather take the Minnesota job than the Wisconsin job.
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The weather part was more aimed at UConn and Syracuse.

And I guess I'm just Big 10 biased.
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I feel like Florida has to be a top 15 job.
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I could certainly see the argument for Florida, but, man, talk about a job that wasn't worth a damn 10 teams ago...Florida basketball is Billy Donovan.
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I don't disagree with the teams you included, but I would bump Indiana up and consider Florida and Texas as well, despite them being football schools.
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised that a top 15 would be without those 2 programs.
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I could certainly see the argument for Florida, but, man, talk about a job that wasn't worth a damn 10 teams ago...Florida basketball is Billy Donovan.
I don't disagree with you, but the same argument could be made for Duke, Syracuse, UConn, Arizona, and a few others.
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I don't disagree with you, but the same argument could be made for Duke, Syracuse, UConn, Arizona, and a few others.
Eh....not really. For starters, most of those coaches have been/were at their jobs for 25-30+ years. Donovan has great for about a decade at Florida, but let's see if he's still there in 10-15 years and Florida is playing at a high level. He already almost left Florida once.

Also, while Coach K has made Duke what it is, for example, Duke had made two national championship games before he arrived in 1980 and had made four final fours. That's not a bad program at all. Florida, on the other hand, had only made one final four before Donovan came, and that was in 1994. Syracuse and UConn were both more products of their coaches. But, again, those coaches have been there for decades.
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I like your list bearfan_51...hard to argue anyone else for the top 15.

If we had to make a similar list for say the Top 10 mid-major jobs who would we add?

Here are a few suggestions, not in any order...

Temple
Butler
Memphis
Creighton
UNLV
Tulsa
Western Kentucky
Gonzaga
San Diego State
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Davidson's a product of Stephen Curry. Western Kentucky was a one-hit wonder. I'd add in Belmont.
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Western Kentucky has been to the NCAA Tournament 22 times and has been to the Sweet Sixteen 7 times.

Davidson has been to the NCAA Tournament 11 times and has been to the Elite Eight 3 times.

Both seem to be very solid mid-major jobs. History backs it up.
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I guess it depends on how one defines mid-major. If it's a program not in a BCS conference I would say:

1) Memphis (this is a clear #1, but again, depends how you define it)
2) UNLV
3) Xavier
4) Dayton
5) BYU
6) Creighton
7) Temple
8) Butler
9) New Mexico
10) Gonzaga
11) UTEP
12) Old Dominion
13) VCU
14) San Diego State
15) Witchita State


Combination of fan support + facilities + historical success
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I guess it depends on how one defines mid-major. If it's a program not in a BCS conference I would say:

1) Memphis (this is a clear #1, but again, depends how you define it)
2) UNLV
3) Xavier
4) Dayton
5) BYU
6) Creighton
7) Temple
8) Butler
9) New Mexico
10) Gonzaga
11) UTEP
12) Old Dominion
13) VCU
14) San Diego State
15) Witchita State


Combination of fan support + facilities + historical success
Really can't argue with that list.
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I thought about Houston because of their historical success, but the city of Houston just doesn't care about the team, and they haven't been really relevant for years.
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