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Old 03-09-2012, 11:12 PM    (permalink
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Yeah I would much rather take the Minnesota job than the Wisconsin job.
Neither makes the list, so I guess it doesn't really matter, but how is Minnesota a better job than Wisconsin?
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Neither makes the list, so I guess it doesn't really matter, but how is Minnesota a better job than Wisconsin?
I guess the better question is how is either one discernibly better than the other? It's not that Wisconsin has been getting better talent the last 10 years or so, hell the Gophers have had more legitimate NBA prospects, it's that Bo Ryan has been coaching them up and the Gophers have had a collection of jackasses coaching.

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Neither makes the list, so I guess it doesn't really matter, but how is Minnesota a better job than Wisconsin?
Better recruiting ground, more of a basketball school.
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Also, talk about a program that was a joke before the current coach got there. In the 50 years before Bo go there they made the tournament 4 times.
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I guess the better question is how is either one discernibly better than the other? It's not that Wisconsin has been getting better talent the last 10 years or so, hell the Gophers have had more legitimate NBA prospects, it's that Bo Ryan has been coaching them up and the Gophers have had a collection of jackasses coaching.
Well the main criteria seems to be tournament success, and Wisconsin clearly tops Minnesota there.

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NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY
Final Fours 1
Tournament Record 12-11
Championship Seasons None
Tournament Appearances 11

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Final Fours 2
Tournament Record 23-16
Championship Seasons 1941
Tournament Appearances 17

Yeah, most of that was under Bo Ryan, but it's the same thing as Donovan in Florida(minus the championships). Bo Ryan rebuilt the program, but now that it is rebuilt a new coach should be able to have success there too.
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Better recruiting ground, more of a basketball school.
It's more of a basketball school only because the football program sucks. It's not like when you think of basketball schools you think of Minnesota.

And there's no recruiting edge. Bo Ryan has had no problem pulling kids out of Minnesota. 3/5ths of Wisconsin's starting lineup this year is from Minnesota.
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Those were all kids without Minnesota offers. Kids in Minnesota will choose Minnesota over Wisconsin almost all of the time. That's my whole point. Wisconsin is beating Minnesota with players that Minnesota didn't even want. Our talent is almost always superior to Wisconsin, we're just consistently out-coached.
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Yeah, most of that was under Bo Ryan, but it's the same thing as Donovan in Florida(minus the championships). Bo Ryan rebuilt the program, but now that it is rebuilt a new coach should be able to have success there too.

I don't think it's the same situation, kids who go to Florida still get to go to college in Florida, good weather, girls, it's not Wisconsin, etc. Wisconsin would have a much harder time sustaining a coaching change, especially because a larger amount of their success is because of Ryan's actual coaching as opposed to accumulating talent like Donovan.
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I don't think it's the same situation, kids who go to Florida still get to go to college in Florida, good weather, girls, it's not Wisconsin, etc. Wisconsin would have a much harder time sustaining a coaching change, especially because a larger amount of their success is because of Ryan's actual coaching as opposed to accumulating talent like Donovan.
Well then stay in Wisconsin, and look at Marquette. That program fell off quite a bit from its championship until Tom Crean got there. Then Crean built the program back up, and was hired away by Indiana. Buzz Williams stepped right in and is continuing that success. Not exactly the same situation, but it's not like it's impossible to sustain success in the state. Most of the kids come from the midwest anyway.

And Minnesota has the same weather or maybe even worse weather than Wisconsin, so it's not an advantage either way there.

EDIT: You could also look at Wisconsin's football program. That was nothing until Barry Alvarez got there, and now it's one of the better jobs in college football. (Don't want to start a debate of the best football jobs, but you can't deny that it's a good job now)
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Those were all kids without Minnesota offers. Kids in Minnesota will choose Minnesota over Wisconsin almost all of the time. That's my whole point. Wisconsin is beating Minnesota with players that Minnesota didn't even want. Our talent is almost always superior to Wisconsin, we're just consistently out-coached.
I don't follow college basketball recruiting, so I have no idea how good of a prospect he was, but how did Minnesota not even offer Jordan Taylor?

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Jordan Taylor barely had any offers. One from Wisconsin and one from Green Bay. That's it.
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And Minnesota has the same weather or maybe even worse weather than Wisconsin, so it's not an advantage either way there.


I don't follow college basketball recruiting, so I have no idea how good of a prospect he was, but how did Minnesota not even offer Jordan Taylor?
I'm not really making an argument for Minnesota, just against Wisconsin and against your comparison of Wisconsin and Florida.

Jordan Taylor was a pretty decent prospect but nothing special, I watched him in high school and never would have imagined he would turn out as well as he did. Blake Hoffarber accepted his offer before we could offer Taylor, both were around the same area as prospects and while I would have rather had Taylor in hindsight Hoffarber worked out alright.
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Jordan Taylor barely had any offers. One from Wisconsin and one from Green Bay. That's it.
Huh, didn't know that. He has developed very well since he got there then.

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I'm not really making an argument for Minnesota, just against Wisconsin and against your comparison of Wisconsin and Florida.
I know, I was just relating it back to the main argument.
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He should have just played straight up defense on that charge, I hate when people flop in those situations. It definitely looked like a foul on that last play though. Wow.
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I hope Xavier doesn't make the tournament because I'm going to pick them to go way too far. Loved that backcourt last year and I thought they would end up much better than they have this year.
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Yeah, Mizzou goes 4 deep with really, really good guards. Denmon, English, Dixon, and Pressey are all very good. I like Ratliffe inside too, unfortunately he's the only big man they have.
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My guesses

#1s:
Kentucky
Syracuse
North Carolina
Missouri/Baylor

#2s:
Michigan State/Ohio State
Kansas
Baylor/Missouri
Duke

#3s:
Ohio State/Michigan State
Murray State
Marquette
Florida State
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