New York Giants Discussion - Page 179

Big_Pete · 03-13-2012, 06:57 PM

I don't mind us signing Bennett, I think our environment could be what he needs. At the very least he will be a cheap no 2 TE with some potential.

I would still like to see us bring back Boss as well.

Giantsfan1080 · 03-13-2012, 07:07 PM

At worst he's going to help our run game. From everything you read and see he's really developed into an above average run blocker. Anything else after that would be gravy.

LTgiants · 03-13-2012, 08:55 PM

@TheBlueScreen
Looks like OL David Diehl restructured his contract, lowering his base salary from $4.2M to $1.2M. That clears another $1.5M in cap space.

scottyboy · 03-13-2012, 09:13 PM

restructures all over the place.

which could kick us in the ass later

Giantsfan1080 · 03-13-2012, 09:14 PM

The cap better go wayyyyyyy up in 2014. Next year might be scary.

BaLLiN · 03-13-2012, 10:48 PM

Anyone know what our cap is right now?

Big_Pete · 03-14-2012, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

restructures all over the place.

which could kick us in the ass later

unlikely as the cap is likely to go up big time.

The owners have already been working on the next tv deal which is arounf $8bn compared to the $1bn of the current deal.

The playes get 55% of the tv money under the new deal, so there will be a sizeable increase in the cap in 2014.

Big_Pete · 03-14-2012, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

Anyone know what our cap is right now?

from insidefootball.com
http://insidefootball.com/blog/archives/4022

apparently we were $3.156M under the cap.

Factor in Baas and Diehl restructuring and we have some room to play with so probably somewhere a little over $6.5m cap room pending the Thomas and RFA tenders.

I would like to see us rework the following contracts with restructure/extensions (listed is their 2012 cap number and end year)

Antrel Rolle - $9,100,000, end year 2014
Justin Tuck - $8,000,000, end year 2013
Chris Canty - $7,666,667, end year 2014
Chris Snee - $7,783,333 end year 2014
Corey Webster $6,750,000, end year 2013
Michael Boley $5,650,000, end year 2013
Matthias Kiwanuka $5,550,000, end year 2012

If we move 1/4 of their 2012 cap numbers to 2014 (or later) though reworking current deals or signing extensions with key players with that would create another $12,625,000 in cap room,

we also have Osi's $4,617,857 2012 cap number we can work with, or we can rework Osi's deal if we choose.

We won't be huge players in free agency, but we can be reasonably active with a few well priced moves.

Big_Pete · 03-14-2012, 03:35 AM

details on CB Terrell Thomas's deal

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ll_thom_1.html

BaLLiN · 03-14-2012, 11:13 AM

So who are we making this extra room for? Thomas's contract for this season is a max of 3.75 million, so taking the cap number you're saying (6.5) and the possible restructures minus 3.75 million (thomas), but excluding Osi's contract because we should trade him we'll have around 17,242,857? really?

BigBlueNorwegian · 03-14-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

So who are we making this extra room for? Thomas's contract for this season is a max of 3.75 million, so taking the cap number you're saying (6.5) and the possible restructures minus 3.75 million (thomas), but excluding Osi's contract because we should trade him we'll have around 17,242,857? really?

We're obviously making room so we can sign Peyton as our back-up

Jughead10 · 03-14-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

So who are we making this extra room for? Thomas's contract for this season is a max of 3.75 million, so taking the cap number you're saying (6.5) and the possible restructures minus 3.75 million (thomas), but excluding Osi's contract because we should trade him we'll have around 17,242,857? really?

Your numbers are so messed up I believe. We may have 8 million. Maybe, I dont even think that. That might be enough for Bennett, our rookies, and another low to mid range FA.

LTgiants · 03-14-2012, 02:48 PM

Mr. Cap N Crunch Martellus Bennett Signed for 1 year 2.5 million

Damix · 03-14-2012, 03:31 PM

2.5 million for MB after Carlson got 25 million?

I'll take it.

Jughead10 · 03-14-2012, 03:32 PM

I can't believe we haven't signed Weatherford long term to free up maybe another million. Seems like it would be easy, considering the day after we won the Super Bowl rumors were they basically had something worked out.

Big_Pete · 03-14-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Damix

2.5 million for MB after Carlson got 25 million?

I'll take it.

I think it is quite reasonable, he is already a very good blocker and has plenty of potential as a reciever. I wouldn't be surprised if Coughlin, Gilbride, Pope and Eli get the best out of Bennett this year.

The fact he is willing to sign here knowing the culture and environment we have here is a good sign Bennett is willing to work hard.

scottyboy · 03-14-2012, 03:42 PM

and apparently Carr is back. Nice day we're having

NY+Giants=NYG · 03-14-2012, 03:48 PM

Jughead10 · 03-14-2012, 03:49 PM

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Were we interested in him at the draft? I can't remember. Pope normally works out all the TEs at the combine so there may have been a relationship from 4 years ago.

OSUGiants17 · 03-14-2012, 04:06 PM

Next up, re-sign Chase(as a STer at the very least), sign Tolbert(yea, I want him! He is only 26, a good receiver out of the backfield and wants to play here), sign Weatherford long term, and give Osi his money or trade him

NY+Giants=NYG · 03-14-2012, 04:32 PM

Good signing! I like what we can possibly do with this guy. Apparently so does Reese!

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Paul Schwartz
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Giants general manager Jerry Reese on newly-signed Martellus Bennett: "We had a very good, open, forthright visit with Martellus and we hare excited to have him join the Giants family. He's ready to go to work and wants to prove he can be one of the top tight ends in the NFL. We think the sky is the limit for him here.'' #nyg

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Tom Coughlin on Martellus Bennett: "“In our situation it’s a perfect match, because here we are with two guys that aren’t going to be able to go. We get a guy with this quality and we can say to him, ‘You go out on the field, you go from less than 30 percent play time to 70-75-80 percent play time just by virtue of if you come here and if you are willing to pay the price to be what you want to be. Here’s the opportunity.’” #NYG

Paul Schwartz
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More Coughlin on Bennett: "What you have is a talented athlete who played behind an all-pro. Who is not very satisfied, is not very fulfilled, is anxious to prove the quality of athlete and football player that he can be. He feels like he hasn't scratched the surface of what he can do. He's a young, aspiring, athletic tight end who can run.'' #nyg

Giantsfan1080 · 03-14-2012, 05:10 PM

Wow I can't believe we signed him so cheap. I guess this is like a trial run and if he passes maybe he try to work something out long term. I actually am starting to really like this signing, there is nothing to lose.

I'm glad Carr is back also. Seems like Eli and him have a good relationship.

Jughead I still we get something done with Weatherford. We're going to be interested in the 2nd and 3rd tier guys anyway so there's no rush.

bigbluedefense · 03-14-2012, 05:37 PM

Yeah it's a good signing for the money. I still don't like him, and I don't trust him in a big spot in the 4th quarter to run the right route/catch the ball/pick up his assignment in the run game or pass pro, but for the money it's worth the gamble I guess.

And this means we don't go TE in round 1, which is great news bc that would be a major reach.

And bc it's just 1 year, it allows us to draft a legit TE next year if we can't extend him if he does in fact pan out.

I still would have prefered Shincao but whatever.

Giantsfan1080 · 03-14-2012, 05:58 PM

We are still going to sign another TE so you never know.

LonghornsLegend · 03-14-2012, 06:06 PM

Bennett is is just going to be insanely frustrating for you guys, I can tell you right now. Witten didn't really have anything to do with it. He just has so many mental lapses and is so immature, that is the reason why he hasn't developed properly. There is no denying that he can truly breakout, he's got that freakish TE ability that not many share at the position, excellent blocker(you'll love that about him immediately), and he's got the type of athleticism to where he's an instant mis-match when he runs routes.

He's just the type who'll get the false start in the game when it was the worst time to have it, catch his first 3 passes with guys draped all over him then drop a wide open TE screen that left 30 yards on the field to kill a drive, and all-around just goofs off.

That said, while he's still young, he was drafted at a really young age and while we would like them to all have it, not everyone "gets it" right away. I mean he had 4 TD's as a rookie, which I think were all in a row, so there is no denying you've upgraded the position, but he's going to need Eli or 1 of the vets to stay on him. He's the only thing stopping him from being so much better then he's showed.

For the price though, worth the risk no doubt. Seeing as how he can play us twice I wouldn't doubt that he doesn't pull it together. He's just going to very quickly, more then likely be most of your most frustrating player on the team now because you'll see all the flashes of the talent and potential he has in training camp but he'll likely lack that consistency to make anything out of it.

I'm still a fan so I hope he gets his priorities together.