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I think I dislike Jeffery about as much as you like him. I see a lot of Mike Williams (SEA) in him, and more of the old Mike Williams than the new. Big, strong, and hard to cover, but little explosion and a lack of athleticism that will be taken advantage of at the next level. Maybe it's just the big gut that sends me a red flag. I like Kendall Wright a lot more than him.

That's one of the biggest misconceptions when talking about Alshon. People want to try and compare him to Mike Williams because of one picture, and I don't care what anyone says, it's because of one picture. You see him against Alfonzo Dennard in their bowl game? Absolutely man-handled him. Dennard is regarded by many as a top 50 selection.

It's funny that people say he is slow, yet he's played against top competition in the SEC and has pretty much had his way with guys like....Brandon Boykin, Kareem Jackson, Alfonzo Dennard, Dre Kirkpatrick, Byron Maxwell. And last year when Jeffery, AJ Green and Julio Jones were all in the SEC, Alshon was the best of the three.

Jeffery is probably the best deep threat I've seen come out in quite a few years, I would even go as far as comparing his deep ball skills to Larry Fitzgerald. And unlike Floyd, Jeffery is pretty fluid when running his routes.
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You see him against Alfonzo Dennard in their bowl game? Absolutely man-handled him. Dennard is regarded by many as a top 50 selection.
As did more than a few receivers at the Senior Bowl, prompting some scouts to question whether Dennard would be better off at safety in the pros.

That was also Jeffery's only 100-yard performance of the entire season.
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As did more than a few receivers at the Senior Bowl, prompting some scouts to question whether Dennard would be better off at safety in the pros.

That was also Jeffery's only 100-yard performance of the entire season.
So?

49 catches 762 yards, 15.3 YPC, 8 Touchdowns

57 catches 848 yards, 14.9 YPC, 9 Touchdowns

Stats don't tell you the whole story.
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Some 2011 video...

Jeffery vs ECU:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ApznKf4DU

Jeffery vs Kentucky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8q3Z...eature=related

Some of those throws are just downright horrible.

Jeffery vs Alabama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bpHPzu_wEM

- Goes up against Dre Kirkpatrick a few times.

Jeffery vs Janoris Jenkins (2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5tH53cLW4U

Alshon had 6 catches for 53 yards, and as you can see had a chance at having a bigger game if Garcia was accurate on sone of his throws.

To compare, AJ Green and Julio Jones in 2010 vs Janoris Jenkins combined had 8 catches for 61 yards.

I know that videos don't tell you the whole story. I'm just trying to show you guys that Jeffery's Quarterback play was inconsistent all season in South Carolina.
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So?

49 catches 762 yards, 15.3 YPC, 8 Touchdowns

57 catches 848 yards, 14.9 YPC, 9 Touchdowns

Stats don't tell you the whole story.
I don't really have the time to spend guessing-and-checking to see who you're referring to. I assumed one of them was A.J. Green, and was correct. The fact that you'd just throw out random seasons worth of stats tells me I probably didn't make my point clear enough.

Jeffery was one of the hottest receiving sensations coming out of the 2010 season. The guy posted 1,500+ yards and caught nearly 90 passes. Over half of his games resulted in 100+ yards receiving. He was a machine. In 2011, those numbers were basically cut in half. His receptions per game went down drastically, his yards per game went down drastically. Jeffery's worst game in 2010 came against #1 Auburn (4 rec, 36 yards, 1 TD). In 2011, he'd have seven games that I would rate as being worse than that. That's different from Green, whose averages actually continue to go up through his career. The point being made isn't that the guy has to put up outstanding numbers, but rather how drastic of a falloff Jeffery had from 2010 to 2011.

Yes, I understand his quarterback situation was not great. But the truly great ones - the ones that compare favorably to the Greens and Fitzgeralds of the world - still manage to be a factor on the field in spite of that. To me, Jeffery seemed like a guy who just kind of accepted the situation rather than one who tried even harder to change it. You can't praise Jeffery for dominating opponents when he shows up, yet simply blame the QB situation when he doesn't. Using that barometer, Jeffery goes blameless; it's his doing when he's good and someone else's fault when he's not. That doesn't hold water to me, and I doubt it does to the people whose jobs are on the line in evaluating Jeffery.

I'm in stlouisfan37's camp when it comes to him. Jeffery possesses great size and ball skills, but when you can't separate with speed and you can't separate with good route running, you're going to get exposed at the next level. The fact that Jeffery also has some big red flags surrounding his ability to maintain his weight (saying his playing weight was “like 230” last year drew attention for the wrong reasons IMO) and showing up for games isn't one for the plus column either.
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On another note, the Rams have signed Miami DL Kendall Langford to a four-year deal. He's expected to fill one of the two vacancies at defensive tackle in the starting line-up.
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On another note, the Rams have signed Miami DL Kendall Langford to a four-year deal. He's expected to fill one of the two vacancies at defensive tackle in the starting line-up.
Good solid signing. I think we have added three really strong players, all at positions of serious need. I don't believe we are the least talented team in the league anymore.

I have been giving some serious thought to our WR situation. The idea came to mind that, with all the talk of how bad our receivers have been, maybe the new coaching staff thinks that all the negativity could give someone a chip on their shoulder and break out this year? Is there anyone that you could see really stepping up and becoming a difference maker? I fully expect Amendola to show up and compete hard, but I think we know what he has. I am thinking maybe Pettis. The one thing that really impressed coaches about him coming out of college was his work ethic and how he studies the game. It could be that he never really got into a routine his rookie year with the lockout and all. Just a theory.

I don't mean in any way that we should stand pat with the guys we have. We need to pull a stud from the draft. What I am suggesting is that if we draft Blackmon and then Pettis, or maybe Gibson, has a breakout year, then we could have a nice pair to build on.
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Some 2011 video...

Jeffery vs ECU:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ApznKf4DU

Jeffery vs Kentucky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8q3Z...eature=related

Some of those throws are just downright horrible.

Jeffery vs Alabama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bpHPzu_wEM

- Goes up against Dre Kirkpatrick a few times.

Jeffery vs Janoris Jenkins (2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5tH53cLW4U

Alshon had 6 catches for 53 yards, and as you can see had a chance at having a bigger game if Garcia was accurate on sone of his throws.

To compare, AJ Green and Julio Jones in 2010 vs Janoris Jenkins combined had 8 catches for 61 yards.

I know that videos don't tell you the whole story. I'm just trying to show you guys that Jeffery's Quarterback play was inconsistent all season in South Carolina.
I will give you that Jeffery didn't have anyone who could get him the ball last year. My beef with him isn't that he isn't a decent receiver or his ball skills. But if you watch his tape, there is always a defender within a step or two of him, regardless of whether the ball was thrown well or not, or whether he makes the catch or not. He doesn't run away from anyone, and even in full stride he looks slow. Reminds me a lot of Herman Moore, who was a great receiver in his day, but those guys just aren't real productive in today's game, and they allow teams to stack the box because you can't stretch the field with a guy who can't run past anyone.

Now, if you look at tape of guys like Blackmon or Robert Woods, they are wide open with several yards of separation a lot of the time. That to me is a huge difference in whether or not a guy's game translates to the next level. This is just my opinion. Someone else could totally fall in love with him. I just hope that someone isn't Jeff Fisher.
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There's a question being posed on another Rams site that I moderate, so I thought I'd bring it here and see how you all feel.

Would you rather spend the sixth overall pick on...

a) Justin Blackmon
b) Mike Wallace (Steelers WR)

Discuss.
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Blackmon has the potential to be an elite Receiver.

Wallace IS an elite Receiver.

You have to go with Wallace.

Oh and when talking about Jeffery's dramatic fall of from 2010 to 2011.....

Michael Crabtree had 37 less receptions, 797 less yards going from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. Oh and he had Eight 100-yard receiving games against big 12 opponents his Freshman year, just two his sophomore year
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There's a question being posed on another Rams site that I moderate, so I thought I'd bring it here and see how you all feel.

Would you rather spend the sixth overall pick on...

a) Justin Blackmon
b) Mike Wallace (Steelers WR)

Discuss.
Well, I can see both sides of the argument. On one hand, you have a proven receiver with lots of experience and maybe the most speed in the NFL. He stretches the field and gets separation, not only for himself, but for everyone around him.

On the other hand, you have a rookie with a ton of upside that will come at probably half the price. He will never stretch the field like Wallace, but could end up being very special in his own right.

My first instinct is that the #6 pick is too much for Wallace, but is that really true, or is it due to the relativity that if the Giants struck a deal with him they would get him for the #32 pick? I'm thinking the latter. Without a doubt, if Wallace was entering this draft with the skill level he is at right now he would certainly be the most talented player in the draft.

An advantage to making a play for Wallace would be that he is not a rookie and you could sign him to a longer contract, such as 6 years as opposed to 4. There would still be an acclimation period to the new offense, but a vet like him with such skill would probably be playing at a really high level by the end of the first year, as opposed to a rookie taking a year, maybe two before he really gets a complete understanding of the NFL game.

So would I do it? Honestly, if we were closer to being a contender I would be more apt to say yes. At this point, and in this draft with so many trade possibilities due to the supply/demand ratio for quarterbacks, I would probably say no. While at first glance it is probably worth it, but what if there is another opportunity to trade down from 6 and pick up more high picks? Now you are giving up multiple picks for one guy.

Interesting debate. I can tell you this much; while it may not happen this year, it almost certainly will at some point, and when it does it will get a lot of people thinking outside the box.

BTW, what is the other Rams' website you mentioned? Can I check it out?
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Oh and when talking about Jeffery's dramatic fall of from 2010 to 2011.....

Michael Crabtree had 37 less receptions, 797 less yards going from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. Oh and he had Eight 100-yard receiving games against big 12 opponents his Freshman year, just two his sophomore year
And do you think San Francisco has been happy with what they've received? It sounds like Crabtree may be fighting to remain a starter this offseason, what with the addition of Moss and Manningham.


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It's listed as the home page in my profile. :)
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No i don't think Crabtree should be worried about losing his starting job to those two, and I would take him on the rams as our #1 in a heartbeat.

But the point I was making was in the predraft process that year I don't think that dropoff of production was mentioned once from anyone, he was always considered a top 10 selection, heck I remember some hoping the rams selected him #2 overall. The concerns for him were really the foot injury and his attitude.

But hey no sense in going back and forth, I like Alshon and you guys dont, I can respect that. And by no means am I saying Blackmon won't be good, I think he has hakeem nicks qualities.....I just think Jeffery has Fitzgerald type qualities.
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If you think about the type of offense that Schotty ran with the Jets, you could make a very good comparison to Plax for Jeffery. Top of the 2nd wouldnt be a bad place to pick up a receiver with that type of production (only Plax's time with the Jets btw, not before).

However, a player like Holmes is what really was needed to get that offense on the move. Manningham and Steve Smith (Giants and Eagles) dont have Holmes' ability, but do have similar qualities. I really think Fisher is building an offense like Jets had been using.

Id be very happy with a TR and then Alshon with the first two picks when I look at it like that.
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Round 1 - Justin Blackmon, WR. Oklahoma St.
Round 2 - Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
Round 2 - Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan St.
Round 3 - Bruce Irvin, OLB, West Virginia
Round 4 - TY Hilton, WR, FIU
Round 5 - Robert Turbin, RB, Utah St.
Round 6 - Case Keenum, QB, Houston
Round 7 - Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon
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I like it a lot, there are other linebackers I like more than Irvin...Bobby Wagner, Travis Lewis, Lavonte David, Ronnell Lewis, Sean Spence...but overall I wouldn't mind that draft for the Rams at all.

TY Hilton is going to be a monster imo, love the pick.
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Looks solid, though I'd agree another LB besides Irvin would probably be a better fit.
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Free agent CB Tracy Porter has scheduled visits with the Titans and Rams.Porter visited the Bengals last week. It's believed he was in Oakland visiting the Raiders on Monday. Still only 25, medical concerns may be lowering Porter's market value to the point where he'd accept a one-year, "prove-it" deal. Mar 19 - 6:24 PM
Would be a nice signing. Would probably take Claiborne off the board, which is a shame.
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I would be okay with any of those LB's. Actaully I have warmed on Spence since 8180 brought his name up.
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Would be a nice signing. Would probably take Claiborne off the board, which is a shame.
We will be taking him off the board, so don't worry :D
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We will be taking him off the board, so don't worry :D
Means Trent or Blackmon is there when the Rams pick. Fine with me yo
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So now that the QB carousel appears to be done spinning (Alex Smith is a bit irked, but he will likely stay in San Francisco), the outcome looks pretty good for a bidding war for Ryan Tannehill. Cleveland, Miami and KC all still have huge needs for a QB. I'm not sure how interested Cleveland is in him; if anyone could find any articles linking him to the Browns that would be cool.

At this point, I am totally okay with us staying put and taking the BPA at #6. It would be cool to trade down, but I only see that happening if Cleveland has no interest in him and Kansas City has to leapfrog Miami to get it done.

Another cool scenario would be if interest in him really spikes and Miami or KC moves up to #3 to take him. This would possibly drop Kalil down to us at #6, since I doubt Cleveland or Tampa would take an OT, and I doubt anyone would give up too much to trade up for Kalil when Reiff is on the board. Other than some measureables like arm length, Kalil isn't that much better of a prospect. I'm pretty sure if Kalil was sitting there at #6 we would take him, slam dunk, even if Blackmon is still there as well. I think he is the better player, and there is a lot of depth at receiver.
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