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Cadallic Williams 29 25.89%
Ronnie Brown 68 60.71%
Brandon Jacobs 15 13.39%
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Old 04-09-2007, 11:41 PM    (permalink
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Both have proved to be better than Jacobs. Jacobs is good for 10 carries a gayme. But once people actually hit him, which for me wouldnt be a problem, he will quickly lose that *** ******, 5th grade 190 lber style of running. It hasnt worked ever for anyone. Esp. Brandon Stokley i mean Jacobs.
Oh really? They've proved to be better than Jacobs? What have you actually seen Jacobs do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0K79UadKh4
I'm pretty sure people were actually hitting him there and he still kept running over them. I'm not sure what that whole sentence was supposed to be mean. Stokely? Was that some sort of witty joke or are you just straight up ********?

And don't tell me there hasn't been a good RB that was known for his bruising running style...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcrYwErP_nw

Dude weighs 270 and ran a 4.5 40. He's a beast, and he's been working with Tiki's trainer lately, the same trainer that Tiki started using when he broke out and kept Tiki healthy.
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There is no way that Jacobs is even close to the two, caddy and ronnie are two very different backs, in that caddy is more of a homerun threat/ gamechanger, while ronnie is a more between the tackles guy, who is a better blocker and reciever, but i am a bucs fan so i will go with caddy, especcially considering he was a big part in getting hte bucs to the playoffs, two years ago
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I wonder if all the Ronnie Brown votes are because he was drafted first....

My issue with Ronnie is he lacks great vision. For all his ability, he could be better.
He really does. That's one thing Ricky did so well, even when he came back after retirement, he was so good as seeing the cutback lane. It also help that we ran the counter trey which Ricky was ridiculous at. I really hope Cameron can get all of Brown's potential unlocked, maybe with an actual FB and a real OC he might be able to break out.
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He really does. That's one thing Ricky did so well, even when he came back after retirement, he was so good as seeing the cutback lane. It also help that we ran the counter trey which Ricky was ridiculous at. I really hope Cameron can get all of Brown's potential unlocked, maybe with an actual FB and a real OC he might be able to break out.
Any time you have a RB with average vision, they usually do MUCH better with a good FB in front of them. Ronnie's numbers will go up with more Iform sets.

Cameron likes using the Iform. He'll get the most out of Ronnie.

But he NEEDS better blocking up front. So who knows. Miami's draft will be key.
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The right side and center are good, left side is ehh right now, LG could be good, LT is iffy (please trade up for Joe Thomas), so he could have a decent year. Behind the right side last year he averaged like over 5 and on the left it was around 3.
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The right side and center are good, left side is ehh right now, LG could be good, LT is iffy (please trade up for Joe Thomas), so he could have a decent year. Behind the right side last year he averaged like over 5 and on the left it was around 3.
How's the pass protection?

Im trying to figure out what Miami needs and what not. I'll frequent the Miami team thread tomorrow to get a better idea and have some good discussion.
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Jacobs is nothing but a substandard back that has scored some TD's and good yards against reject players in the pre season. If you need 1 yard, he'll get you 1 yard. If you need 10 yards, he'll get you 1 yard. He's proved nothing and the Giants running game is in some trouble this year.
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none of them seems to be a fulltime starter. all need another guy to be successfull . when they came out they were talks about on of the best vintages for RBs . now , a few years later i look back and have to say : disappointment.
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I see Giants Rutgers fan has been wearing the homer glasses again.

Jacobs has alot more to prove than either of the other two. He has never been a starter in this league.
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Jacobs running style will be favorable for the 6-12 rushes a game. If he can sustain that style, effectively miss taking on the big hit, because more often than not he wastes energy and doesn't deliver the hit as is seen in the two youtube videos someone posted. If he was taught to run a little lower, leverage going more forward, and too miss some hits, then he could be a highly effective full load carrying back. But he has yet to do that.
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I'm really amazed that we were able to get 3 pages of posts about which second or third tier RB is best. None of these guys is an elite RB in the NFL. Because of their various issues (injuries, skill set, unproven) and the fact that none of them has an elite OLine in from of him, that is not likely to change.

If I was starting a franchise and had to pick one of them, I'd probably have to go with Cadillac. Despite his injury issues, he held up to a 400 carry season 2 years ago, and he had decent production behind an obviously poor OLine. A close second is Ronnie Brown, who has more versatility, but hasn't shown anything as a full time runner. Third is Jacobs, who has plenty of talent, but has been held back by the presence of all-pro Tiki Barber. I think we'll know a lot more about this question in January. Right now, it's a bit of a joke...
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Jacobs is nothing but a substandard back that has scored some TD's and good yards against reject players in the pre season. If you need 1 yard, he'll get you 1 yard. If you need 10 yards, he'll get you 1 yard. He's proved nothing and the Giants running game is in some trouble this year.
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Jacobs is nothing but a substandard back that has scored some TD's and good yards against reject players in the pre season. If you need 1 yard, he'll get you 1 yard. If you need 10 yards, he'll get you 1 yard. He's proved nothing and the Giants running game is in some trouble this year.
that must be why he averaged four and a half ypc last year.
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Ronnie Brown, IMo I think he'll have the better career down the road.
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I voted for Cadillac. I think he will turn it around this year.
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Yes, everyone please vote for the best of the third tier RB's in the NFL. This vote is critical...
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I wonder if all the Ronnie Brown votes are because he was drafted first....

My issue with Ronnie is he lacks great vision. For all his ability, he could be better.
That's a thing that turned me off to Ronnie when he was coming out, too. If you watched Brown and Williams play while they were at Auburn, there was absolutely no comparison as to who had the better natural running ability. The way that Cadillac was able to pick his way through traffic is incredibly fun to watch.

Brown is more of a jack-of-all-trades player. He does a little bit of everything well, but he's not amazing in any one area.
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If I was starting a franchise and had to pick one of them, I'd probably have to go with Cadillac. Despite his injury issues, he held up to a 400 carry season 2 years ago, and he had decent production behind an obviously poor OLine. A close second is Ronnie Brown, who has more versatility, but hasn't shown anything as a full time runner. Third is Jacobs, who has plenty of talent, but has been held back by the presence of all-pro Tiki Barber. I think we'll know a lot more about this question in January. Right now, it's a bit of a joke...
Cadillac Williams had 290 rushing attempts in 2005, which combined with 20 receptions made 310 touches. Your numbers are significantly wrong.

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Thanks for updating me. Regardless, he is the only one who has held up as a feature back for a full season.
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In college Cadillac was the best of the 3. So far in the pros it looks like Brown.

Brandon Jacobs is a punk all he does is talk trash about LSU and the Saints because Saban pulled his schooly when he had to go JUCO and because Saban wanted him to play DE were I still think he would have been better at. Jacobs isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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I'll take Ronnie Brown.
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What mistake, saying that Brandon Jacobs is nothing more than a goaline back who has proven nothing as a starter? Until he proves something my opinion is the same of him..
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Ronnie Brown is the best, why is Jacobs even on the list???
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