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View Poll Results: Who is the best mlb?
Ray Lewis 23 13.14%
Brian Urlacher 104 59.43%
Zach Thomas 9 5.14%
Al Wilson 3 1.71%
Mike Peterson 3 1.71%
Jonathan Vilma 14 8.00%
London Fletcher 2 1.14%
Demeco Ryans 14 8.00%
Lofa Tatupu 3 1.71%
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Old 04-08-2007, 05:34 AM    (permalink
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Well there is a comparison, the biggest difference of course being that Lewis was part of that great 2000 team. Urlacher is still in his prime though.

For those that claim Lewis is the best ever....eh....an argument could be made I suppose, but I tend to think that has more to do with a lack of exposure to linebackers in the past.
Im not gonna flat out say Ray Lewis is the best LB history, I cant really say that not having seen other LBs play, but he is easily the best defensive player of his era and without a question one of the top 5 LBs ever to play the game. The only LBs I can see being put ahead of him would be Butkus, Singletary and Lawrence Taylor.
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Well, what we do have to go on is how Demeco played this season. So far, Vilma has not had a season to match Demeco's. The Texans have a bad defense because Demeco and Dunta are pretty much our only playmakers. Mario was a bit, but not a force all season. Demeco was on the field a lot, but he didn't wear down, he was almost always first to the ball carrier. Since the rest of the defense was so awful, he didn't have the benefit of getting to blitz a qb who was frustrated and behind in points, we just got run against a ton. So he missed out on certain opportunities as well being on a bad defense and being on the field as much as he was. Also Demeco had to sort through a ton of trash because our DT's were pretty awful all year. I do really like Vilma, and he and Demeco are similar players, "undersized LB's" with great instincts, but I think Demeco is superior.
Vilma's rookie season was just as good, if not better than Demeco's. He didnt rack up as many tackles, but he also didnt start right off the bat and he made more big plays and played a big role for the Jets in a surprisingly good season. Also if u compare Vilmas 05 season to Demecos 04 season, Vilma is better in virtually every stat category. Vilmas stats sucked in 06 but thats because he got put in a scheme he doesnt fit into.
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People get carried away with Urlachers size and athleticism, but I like MLBs like Lewis, Vilma or Ryans who just fly to the ball laterally and carry the defense. I don't know if Urlacher would have the same success if he was playing for the Texans like Ryans did, but he's a very solid guy in the Bears system where his responsibilities are not as big. Al Wilson used to be one of the best, but he's beginning to decline. Zach Thomas is just a fiery competitor and I absolutely love that. Guys like that are invaluable to a defense. Urlacher definitely is in the mix for the best, but I don't think it should be a runaway competition. He's not a playmaker like Lewis and he isn't always around the ball like Ryans or Vilma.
Brian was very good even without a very good D when he played under Blache. Say what you want about him but go back and watch that Arizona game where he totally took over the game, had 20 some tackles, and by himself stopped the Arizona running attack.

Urlacher is probably one of the, if not the best coverage MIKE in the game right now, he's a surefire tackler, he's a big hitter, he's one of the best tacklers in the game, he's got incredible range, and he does some things that not many other MIKE's can do. I mean you look at his interceptiion against San Francisco where he tipped the ball to himself with an OL draped on him and your mouth just opens.

That being said, I do think Lewis in his prime was one of the best defensive players I've ever seen, and yes he was better than Urlcacher is now. But Brian is a great player, and he is the best MIKE in the game bar none. The guy does some things that not many other players can do on the field and he's incredibly fundamentally sound. He's not the flashy player that Lewis was but keep in mind that this same SB Chicago Bear team went 0-7 without him two years ago when he was injured, and 4-5 with him.
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It's Urlacher as of now on that list, and in the NFL. Yes, he has his flaws, but he does a lot of things at an extremely high level to compensate.

Ray Lewis has declined a bit (I don't think he's the best ILB talent on the team), as has Zach Thomas and Al Wilson. London Fletcher as well, although it's been a few years since I really thought of London as a top MLB. Mike Peterson was more of a solid-good backer, than someone worthy of a top backer discussion, and Tatupu/Ryans are still a bit green for me to be considered, but could be there in time. Vilma needs to better adjust to the 3-4. DJ Williams, if he moves inside, could draw consideration by the end of next year.

Any top current MLB/ILB discussion should involve Antonio Pierce and Bart Scott. Depending on the size of the list, Trotter, Nick Barnett, and Wil Witherspoon could be in the mix as well. Probably a couple names I'm missing, but that covers most of it.
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It's Urlacher as of now on that list, and in the NFL. Yes, he has his flaws, but he does a lot of things at an extremely high level to compensate.

Ray Lewis has declined a bit (I don't think he's the best ILB talent on the team), as has Zach Thomas and Al Wilson. London Fletcher as well, although it's been a few years since I really thought of London as a top MLB. Mike Peterson was more of a solid-good backer, than someone worthy of a top backer discussion, and Tatupu/Ryans are still a bit green for me to be considered, but could be there in time. Vilma needs to better adjust to the 3-4. DJ Williams, if he moves inside, could draw consideration by the end of next year.

Any top current MLB/ILB discussion should involve Antonio Pierce and Bart Scott. Depending on the size of the list, Trotter, Nick Barnett, and Wil Witherspoon could be in the mix as well. Probably a couple names I'm missing, but that covers most of it.

I like Pierce alot. Im looking forward to seeing what he does this year. He struggled a little in Tim Lewis's pseudo Cover 2 scheme this year, but thats a given considering the type of player he is. Under Spag's, he should reemerge as a legitimate candidate in this argument. He's probably the smartest MIKE in the NFL, and he's a great run stopper.

But right here right now, I cede that he doesn't belong in this conversation. Because he didn't do that great this year. He has to prove it on the field. I think he'll have a better 07/08 season because of the scheme change, but I can't say anything until he goes out there and does it.
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Thing is, I don't think MLB/ILB's are all that deep first of all. Second, I felt that he didn't really have that much support, although yes, I'd agree he could've had a better year in many respects. But the last thing being that he has enough of a track record such that, his name, combined with the first two thoughts, imo, deserves to be tossed into the ring, moreso than Mike Peterson, London Fletcher, and a couple others.
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Vilma, he's just currently out of position as an ILB right now.
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Im not gonna flat out say Ray Lewis is the best LB history, I cant really say that not having seen other LBs play, but he is easily the best defensive player of his era and without a question one of the top 5 LBs ever to play the game. The only LBs I can see being put ahead of him would be Butkus, Singletary and Lawrence Taylor.
I think it's hard to put ANY defensive player ahead of Lawrence Taylor. He is a player that essentially changed the way the game is played.
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ive actually never been that impressed by urlacher-not even cuz im a packers fan-i think thomas is the best but morrison and ryans are on their way up
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In 3 years Patrick Willis will be in the mix.
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Ryans season last year was a playmaking and highly impressive year, and even i would agree that it was better than all of Vilma's. but one season isn't a trend, lets see if it continues before he gets title of best MLB
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It's Brian Urlacher. And while it is by a fair margin, it's not "by a landslide and this question shouldn't even be asked" kind of margin some people are making it to be.
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It's Brian Urlacher. And while it is by a fair margin, it's not "by a landslide and this question shouldn't even be asked" kind of margin some people are making it to be.
It's not close, it's not even close to being close. Sure it might not be as wide as some people make it seem, it's still not close.
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The only people who insist that it "isn't close to being close" are Bears fans. You have a few knowledgeable and unbiased posters who have Urlacher as the second best linebacker in this thread, yet Bears fans insist that Urlacher is by far the best and no one is even worth mentioning in the same paragraph. Get over yourselves. You have the best MLB in the league, be happy with that.
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I think it's hard to put ANY defensive player ahead of Lawrence Taylor. He is a player that essentially changed the way the game is played.
I agree LT is the best LB ever and maybe the best defender ever. Ray Lewis would be somewhere from 2nd to 4th on my list of all time LBs.
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The only people who insist that it "isn't close to being close" are Bears fans. You have a few knowledgeable and unbiased posters who have Urlacher as the second best linebacker in this thread, yet Bears fans insist that Urlacher is by far the best and no one is even worth mentioning in the same paragraph. Get over yourselves. You have the best MLB in the league, be happy with that.
I agree. You can make arguments for a number of guys including Donnie Edwards and Ray Lewis, both who have had more decorated careers than Urlacher.
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I find it hard to put any player period in front of LT.
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It's Urlacher as of now on that list, and in the NFL. Yes, he has his flaws, but he does a lot of things at an extremely high level to compensate.

Ray Lewis has declined a bit (I don't think he's the best ILB talent on the team), as has Zach Thomas and Al Wilson. London Fletcher as well, although it's been a few years since I really thought of London as a top MLB. Mike Peterson was more of a solid-good backer, than someone worthy of a top backer discussion, and Tatupu/Ryans are still a bit green for me to be considered, but could be there in time. Vilma needs to better adjust to the 3-4. DJ Williams, if he moves inside, could draw consideration by the end of next year.

Any top current MLB/ILB discussion should involve Antonio Pierce and Bart Scott. Depending on the size of the list, Trotter, Nick Barnett, and Wil Witherspoon could be in the mix as well. Probably a couple names I'm missing, but that covers most of it.
I don't see how you could say that Mike Peterson isn't someone worthy in a top backer discussion, but Nick Barnett and Will Witherspoon are.
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The only people who insist that it "isn't close to being close" are Bears fans. You have a few knowledgeable and unbiased posters who have Urlacher as the second best linebacker in this thread, yet Bears fans insist that Urlacher is by far the best and no one is even worth mentioning in the same paragraph. Get over yourselves. You have the best MLB in the league, be happy with that.
I'm tell you, the Bears going to the Super Bowl was the worst thing that could happen to this forum! :D
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How is Trotter not on the list. Anyways I'm gonna pick Vilma.
After last season, I'm not surprised he's not on the list. Given what he has done over his career, he should be on the list, but anyone who thinks he is the best MLB in the NFL right now I would strongly disagree with. He's pretty much the opposite of Donnie Edwards, he's great against the run(although not this season), but has little to no coverage ability. He's good in our scheme but there are plenty of LB's who can do both who are more valuable. Trotter is a thumper, he's not able to make plays sideline to sideline, but he anchors the middle. He may be the best in that category, but he shouldn't be mentioned as the best, at this point he's maybe top 10 if he plays better this season.
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I think the answer to this is clearly Urlacher, although I wish people would give Zach Thomas a little more respect.
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