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Old 03-19-2012, 12:16 AM    (permalink
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Oh boy! I guess Jets will have to draft RT in the first round.
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Curry is my 10th DE in this year's draft. He just isn't explosive enough to warrant a higher pick. He is relentless and gets by on a strong desire to play 110% all the time but he lacks any real pass rush moves off the edge.
He's a solid 2nd rounder who will definitely contribute for his team.
As a pass rusher he will have to rely on moves, because explosion will not do it for him. There is only one really explosive player in this draft: Nick Perry.

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Curry is my 10th DE in this year's draft. He just isn't explosive enough to warrant a higher pick. He is relentless and gets by on a strong desire to play 110% all the time but he lacks any real pass rush moves off the edge.
He's a solid 2nd rounder who will definitely contribute for his team.
In no order just names...

Ingram
Coples
Perry
Mercilus
Upshaw
Branch

Who am I missing? Chandler Jones? Jared Crick? Massaquoi?
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In no order just names...

Ingram
Coples
Perry
Mercilus
Upshaw
Branch

Who am I missing? Chandler Jones? Jared Crick? Massaquoi?
If you believe NFP

01 Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 6-6 285 7.5 C U Full Scouting Report
02 Fletcher Cox DE, Mississippi State 6-4 295 6.9 J D Full Scouting Report
03 Jared Crick DE, Nebraska 6-6 285 6.8 X Full Scouting Report
04 Cam Johnson DE, Virginia 6-4 270 6.8 Full Scouting Report
05 Whitney Mercilus DE, Illinois 6-4 265 6.5 T M Full Scouting Report
06 Andre Branch DE, Clemson 6-5 260 6.5 D Full Scouting Report
07 Tyrone Crawford DE, Boise State 6-4 276 6.4 D Full Scouting Report
08 Malik Jackson DE, Tennessee 6-5 270 6.4 D Full Scouting Report
09 Vinny Curry DE, Marshall 6-4 263 6.3 Full Scouting Report

That is just the DE, there are more at OLB.

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If you believe NFP

01 Quinton Coples DE, North Carolina 6-6 285 7.5 C U Full Scouting Report
02 Fletcher Cox DE, Mississippi State 6-4 295 6.9 J D Full Scouting Report
03 Jared Crick DE, Nebraska 6-6 285 6.8 X Full Scouting Report
04 Cam Johnson DE, Virginia 6-4 270 6.8 Full Scouting Report
05 Whitney Mercilus DE, Illinois 6-4 265 6.5 T M Full Scouting Report
06 Andre Branch DE, Clemson 6-5 260 6.5 D Full Scouting Report
07 Tyrone Crawford DE, Boise State 6-4 276 6.4 D Full Scouting Report
08 Malik Jackson DE, Tennessee 6-5 270 6.4 D Full Scouting Report
09 Vinny Curry DE, Marshall 6-4 263 6.3 Full Scouting Report

That is just the DE, there are more at OLB.

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Well you'd have to subtract Fletcher Cox/Crick as they are incredibly different players. But at this stage in the game, I'd pretty easily take Curry over Jackson, Crawford, Mercilus. Branch/Curry/Cam is close.
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Looks like Curry is getting masively underrated by some of this board, here's my DE rankings:

1 Quinton Coples
2 Mevlin Ingram
3 Courtney Upshaw
4 Nick Perry
5 Whitney Mercilus
6 Andre Branch
7 Vinny Curry
8 Cam Johnson
9 Ronnell Lewis
10 Chandler Jones
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I don't get it. How is Curry not explosive? He had a 4.64 40 time, and the fastest 3 cone at the combine. When you watch him play, he explodes off the line. He has arguably the best first step in this draft class.

Am I missing something?
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It seems that his projection is the mid to late 2nd round, but am I the only one who sees him creeping into the end of the 1st?

I'm a little late to the party here, but no, you are not the only one! I've been under the impression for a long time now that he would be taken in the bottom half of the 1st. I even remember asking at some point if he was out of the question for the Bills at 10 (I was assuming he'd blow up the combine and have a similar pro day). With the recent emphasis on having a great pass rush and his solid pro day, I don't see how he lasts til the 2nd.
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In no order just names...

Ingram
Coples
Perry
Mercilus
Upshaw
Branch

Who am I missing? Chandler Jones? Jared Crick? Massaquoi?
Fair question!

After the above 6 possible DE's, I'd rate C. Jones, Brockers if we are including DE's for a 3-4 team, and Crick. If we are just looking at him as a 3-4 OLB then I'd rate him #6. However, C. Johnson could challenge him there and as a DE B. Winn and T. Crawford, both from Boise, aren't out of the equation either.
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I've liked him for a while. I think he's a better 4-3 DE than Upshaw (who I don't like at 4-3 DE) but I think Upshaw could still go ahead of him as an OLB.

Something I've noticed every year is draft boards seem to over value DEs. Guys that actually go in the mid 2nd often creep into the late 1st in mocks. Teams draft more on value than most of us on the board make in our mocks.

I'm hoping Curry is available in the 2nd round for my Titans, but it's really too hard to tell. There's several DE's that are pretty equal to me and team preference will likely determine who goes first. Also some teams could try Curry at 3-4 backer, although I'm not a fan of him in this position.
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I don't get it. How is Curry not explosive? He had a 4.64 40 time, and the fastest 3 cone at the combine. When you watch him play, he explodes off the line. He has arguably the best first step in this draft class.

Am I missing something?
Explosion is not about speed. Speed is speed. There is no other name for it. First step is quickness. The ability to change direction is referred to as agility nd the ability to accelerate is called suddenness. Explosiveness is the ability to direct power through the blocker, in close confines.

Three cone is an a way to test change of direction at speed. It is not a bad simplification of an edge rusher's route to the QB. Shuttle is an effective test of suddenness, particularly if you do something to remove the straight line speed from comparisons. For example, the 40 minus the Shuttle is often used. Better is shuttle minus the 10 yard split.

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thinking alot about the Jaguars pick at 7 overall. it's a real wild card.

I've seen mocks that have Michael Floyd and Dre Kirkpatrick. These are the opposite of Gene smith picks.... recently arrested underclassmen.

meanwhile Vinny Curry is the ideal Gene Smith player. Hard worker. Hustle. Character. Production. not a junior.

so he's slated to go late 1st/early 2nd... kinda where Alualu was expected to go.

Any1 else see the Jags make this pick? I could see something like this happening. Everyone will say it is way too early, and he turns out to be a very good player.
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thinking alot about the Jaguars pick at 7 overall. it's a real wild card.

I've seen mocks that have Michael Floyd and Dre Kirkpatrick. These are the opposite of Gene smith picks.... recently arrested underclassmen.

meanwhile Vinny Curry is the ideal Gene Smith player. Hard worker. Hustle. Character. Production. not a junior.

so he's slated to go late 1st/early 2nd... kinda where Alualu was expected to go.

Any1 else see the Jags make this pick? I could see something like this happening. Everyone will say it is way too early, and he turns out to be a very good player.
Anything is possible for the Jags at 7, but if they want a DE with all the thing Gene Smith wants( Senior, production, hard worker, hustler, character) why not go Upshaw/Ingram/Coples.
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I don't get it. How is Curry not explosive? He had a 4.64 40 time, and the fastest 3 cone at the combine. When you watch him play, he explodes off the line. He has arguably the best first step in this draft class.

Am I missing something?
As far as combine numbers are concerned, his VJ and SS are are the bottom end of what you look for in a pass rusher.

It's tough to argue with his production and gametape over the past two seasons, though.
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