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Old 03-22-2012, 05:59 PM    (permalink
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Agreed on JG. But on defense you can't have two guys rushing all-out on the outside or you have zero sustain. Dangerous against mobile QBs and draws / counters. I do agree with the notion that Irvin would have a place (mentioned 3rd down rusher in my post) but I think his ability to take the field other than as a pass-rush specialist would be extremely minimal.

His talent vs draft pick is going to be a steal it's just a matter of a team trusting him to leave his baggage behind. It was admirable that he kept his nose clean after his upbringing but the last incident showed it is not completely repressed.
If he had been caught for drugs that'd be one thing (he probably wouldn't get drafted), but a broken sign just tells me the guy has natural born animal aggression. Gotta like that! lol.

He has room to fill. Ware weighed all of 256 pounds at the combine. These guys can be molded into form. Picking up enough good weight to be a better run stuffer is not hard...but as they say... you can't teach speed.

Pass rushing is also one of the easiest translatable skills between college and the pros. Good sack artists in college tend to be good sack artists in the NFL.

You can absolutely have 2 OLBs rushing the passer, so I don't think it will be hard to find plays for Irvin. Having a good SS like Antonio Allen would do wonders for covering the TE or RB out of the backfield. ;)
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Round 3, Pick 19
- DE Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati -




Height: 6-5 1/8
Weight: 295
Speed: 4.98
Arm: 33 1/4
Hand: 10 3/4
Wingspan: 80 1/4

Upside:
• Productive
• Big frame
• Has core strength to occupy single blocks
• Pushes the pocket and has active legs
• Good eyes, instincts
• Leadership traits and pro work ethic

Downside:
• Average quickness, athleticism, flexibility
• Plays short-armed
• Needs to improve hand use
• Can play with better leverage
• Questionable two-gap ability

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...erek-wolfe-95/

In reality, there's no reason why he's here other than the fact that he chose the wrong Ohio school to go to. Had he gone to Ohio St, we'd be talking about a Top 20 pick here. Wolfe has the intensity and nasty on field demeanor you want in the trenches, and his production is down right scary. 70 tackles, 37 TFL and 19.5 sacks in his (basically 3 year) career. We'd need to nab him here in order to secure his selection. He won't last to us in the 4th. You didn't like seeing me pass up on DE earlier in the draft, I know, but I feel this is a safe spot to assume Wolfe would be available and I just LOVE this player and the value. Arguably has the same upside as any at this position in the draft. Comparable to JJ Watt.

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Derek Wolfe? yay!

I wanted Watt BAD last year, but Wolfe would be a nice consolation price. I love high motor guys at DE, and I can picture Derek being an emotional leader here for a long time. He's the kind of guy who may not be a perennial pro bowler, but his style of play will be contagious among those around him.
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I'll take Wolfe here. Gets us a guy that goes in the the DE rotation and someone that can push for more PT.
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Round 4, Pick 18
- FS Josh Norman, Coastal Carolina -




Height: 6-0 1/4
Weight: 197
Speed: 4.61
Arm: 32 3/4
Hand: 9 1/4
Wingspan: 78 1/2

Upside:
Outstanding size
Highly athletic
Flexible hips
Reads and reacts
48 passes defended
High-points; has soft hands to snatch INTs
Makes acrobatic plays on the ball

Downside:
Has to fill out frame
Takes some questionable angles
Struggles to break down (poor body control as a tackler)
Questionable aptitude
Inflated self opinion

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...osh-norman-24/

4.66 wasn't quite the number that Josh was hoping for as a sleeper CB prospect from a small school. But that speed at his size (6'1, 197), is fine for a transition to Free Safety. Very raw and unproven, but when he's in competition with his peers, he easily stands out. Could use the time behind Sensy to develop, but now is the time to groom someone as AOA has washed out. Enjoy this clip. Josh Norman is one of my favorite sleepers this year. With the future of SS Antonio Allen and FS Josh Norman, the Cowboys have the look that makes me tingle inside.

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I think this mock is really pretty solid.

I do hate Allen in the second, but getting a starting center and a great risk/reward player at OLB and not being out of the second round yet? I think that is a great start.

I would agree with the previous posts, though. Allen is a project player at a position that is being phased out at the NFL level. I have no confidence in him. But stranger things have happened, and to bring in s top level Center and OLB along with a pretty good project player that might be able to do multiple things on defense? Great job as far as I am concerned.
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Started off slow but got wise

Get familiar w/ the trade value chart and that could be remedied
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Just as long as they don't trade down out the 1st rd ......again.

Jimmy Johnson did that yr. after yr. & it drove me effing nuts!! I will start throwing inanimate objects at my TV screen if they do.

They need to to stay in the 1st & address actual NEEDS!! They struck solid gold with Tyrion Smith last draft, they can do it again. I am firm in my belief that this is the best orgn. in pro FB, & can still extract the talent from the gold mine.

Smith will be playing OLT next yr. btw, it's time to find a true center or an oG who can PLAY center -- the interior OL needs to be addressed, it's time. I don't five a flying eff what rd, just find me the next Wiesniewski.
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Really like the Zeitler, Irvin, and Wolfe picks. Antonio Allen pick in the 2nd would probably cost me a TV.

As far as Norman, not sure what I think of him, love his speed and potential, but I'm sick of being the team to gamble on small school corners only to lose that gamble. Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12 corners get tested every week by pass-happy offenses. Who did Norman (Josh Thomas, Akwasi Owusi-Ansah, Courtney Brown, Kareem Larrimore, etc) ever shutdown in college on a consistent basis.

Overall I think your mock would have made the Cowboys better but I'd be pissed (can we semi-cuss here?) about the Antonio Allen pick. Not to mention he's another Strong Safety and we have an abundance of step-slow Strong Safeties already IMO.
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Really like the Zeitler, Irvin, and Wolfe picks. Antonio Allen pick in the 2nd would probably cost me a TV.

As far as Norman, not sure what I think of him, love his speed and potential, but I'm sick of being the team to gamble on small school corners only to lose that gamble. Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12 corners get tested every week by pass-happy offenses. Who did Norman (Josh Thomas, Akwasi Owusi-Ansah, Courtney Brown, Kareem Larrimore, etc) ever shutdown in college on a consistent basis.

Overall I think your mock would have made the Cowboys better but I'd be pissed (can we semi-cuss here?) about the Antonio Allen pick. Not to mention he's another Strong Safety and we have an abundance of step-slow Strong Safeties already IMO.
Sure, we can discuss Antonio Allen. I love his knack for making big plays. I think it's more than coincidence/luck. He is a SS type for sure, but I liken him to a Troy Polamalu type. So I wouldn't group him in the same breath as Gerald Sensabaugh or Brodney Pool. With the way Rob loves to send his Safeties in to blitz, I think Allen is the prototype player to fit his scheme. Allen is versatile too. Rob could line him up anywhere from CB, LB or S. Not many players like that in the draft... much less those who could do it well.

I'll say this... I'd rather have Allen than Barron any day of the week.
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Sure, we can discuss Antonio Allen. I love his knack for making big plays. I think it's more than coincidence/luck. He is a SS type for sure, but I liken him to a Troy Polamalu type. So I wouldn't group him in the same breath as Gerald Sensabaugh or Brodney Pool. With the way Rob loves to send his Safeties in to blitz, I think Allen is the prototype player to fit his scheme. Allen is versatile too. Rob could line him up anywhere from CB, LB or S. Not many players like that in the draft... much less those who could do it well.

I'll say this... I'd rather have Allen than Barron any day of the week.
Pretty BOLD statement. Going to be interesting to see in the next few years. I disagree with you, but I appreciate a bold statements like this.
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Sure, we can discuss Antonio Allen. I love his knack for making big plays. I think it's more than coincidence/luck. He is a SS type for sure, but I liken him to a Troy Polamalu type. So I wouldn't group him in the same breath as Gerald Sensabaugh or Brodney Pool. With the way Rob loves to send his Safeties in to blitz, I think Allen is the prototype player to fit his scheme. Allen is versatile too. Rob could line him up anywhere from CB, LB or S. Not many players like that in the draft... much less those who could do it well.

I'll say this... I'd rather have Allen than Barron any day of the week.
I think Roman Harper is a good player comparison for Allen.
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