And Then There Was Cleveland???

[initial_flo]

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

Brian Hoyer is still available!

Hoyer is getting that random Jim Sorgi must be good by association because he played so long with Peyton Manning hype. Id be out on that.


I would roll the dice with Mallett.

[twiz]

Originally Posted by ChiFan24

I see what you did there. You don't think he's a good football player. You and I disagree about the merits of drafting him. Good stuff.

Just as someone who watched him in the Big 10. He always looks panicked. His throws aren't NFL-grade, meaning I never saw him make a difficult one. He often waited for an easy completion or tried to force one for a big play. I don't know how Sparty fans live after having to watch him and his erratic play.

[wicket]

brees to cleveland?

but seriously, its not that good of an idea to go all out for a qb that they are bound to not really like. Better just wait a year and suck for another year and get a qb then. There cant be that many teams needing a qb next year after the amount teams who took a long term commitment to a qb this last few years.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by wicket

brees to cleveland?

but seriously, its not that good of an idea to go all out for a qb that they are bound to not really like. Better just wait a year and suck for another year and get a qb then. There cant be that many teams needing a qb next year after the amount teams who took a long term commitment to a qb this last few years.

I've taken that position too. You might even like next years crop with Bray, Wilson, Barkley and Landry Jones better than this year. For me it's almost like Holmgren is thinking i have to get some weapons for Colt and let him prove to me he cant do it under those conditions.

Where Cleveland is sitting i could see them trade down a couple of times and really hit that second half of the first round hard.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by wicket

brees to cleveland?

but seriously, its not that good of an idea to go all out for a qb that they are bound to not really like. Better just wait a year and suck for another year and get a qb then. There cant be that many teams needing a qb next year after the amount teams who took a long term commitment to a qb this last few years.

I hate that mentality. No GM could possibly think that way and expect to have a job.

[wicket]

Originally Posted by Brent

I hate that mentality. No GM could possibly think that way and expect to have a job.

obviously you dont want to suck, its just pointless to draft a qb that you trust so little youre likely to look for a qb in a year or two.

[stlouisfan37]

Originally Posted by wicket

brees to cleveland?

but seriously, its not that good of an idea to go all out for a qb that they are bound to not really like. Better just wait a year and suck for another year and get a qb then. There cant be that many teams needing a qb next year after the amount teams who took a long term commitment to a qb this last few years.

There are always teams looking for a franchise QB. Right now there are three teams (Cleveland, Miami, Kansas City) still searching for one, with only Ryan Tannehill remaining as a 1st round prospect.

Add to that list any teams that come to the conclusion this coming season that the guy they have chosen is not getting the job done. Arizona, Jacksonville and Minnesota come to mind as possibilities there. Now you are up to maybe 5 teams that could be shopping for a franchise QB and we haven't even gotten to the 2012 draft yet.

I used to have the same philosophy, as did many people. Why get a franchise QB only to throw him out there to get killed? But it is so difficult to assemble and keep a talented team together today that you really need to get that part figured out quickly in the process.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by wicket

obviously you dont want to suck, its just pointless to draft a qb that you trust so little youre likely to look for a qb in a year or two.

I'd rather take a chance on Tannehill than roll Colt McCoy out there another season.

[stlouisfan37]

Originally Posted by Brent

I'd rather take a chance on Tannehill than roll Colt McCoy out there another season.

I would agree. At least with Tannehill you have a chance that he will become something special down the road. Who has that kind of optimism for McCoy?

[twiz]

Originally Posted by Brent

I'd rather take a chance on Tannehill than roll Colt McCoy out there another season.

I'd rather not have to deal with that potential storm of excrement.

[twiz]

Originally Posted by Brent

I hate that mentality. No GM could possibly think that way and expect to have a job.

Unless you don't like the QB crop you're stuck with.

[Donnie D]

Cleveland FO wanted Griffin. they missed out. i dont think theyll taking any notable QB in this year's draft. theyre more likely to pump up their offense than try to settle for someone else. if they (hypothetically) take Richardson, Floyd, and Fleener with their first 3 picks, can anyone deny their offense will be a serious upgrade over their 20 total TD lineup from last season?
and if McCoy still bombs out even after surrounded by those pieces, then you know for sure he was never going to be a franchise QB. you then go take one of the 4 stud QB's coming out next year.

another big reason to build their offense is to avoid an Eli Manning-type of situation. if you have enough blue-chip guys on offense, thats unlikely to happen. Cleveland has been wallowing in misery for years now, and the idea that they might be the "savior" to the franchise will be too appealing to the upcoming QB's. their egos wont allow them to refuse. but right now, all Cleveland has is a solid left side of their o-line and Greg Little.

i just dont get why people on here think Cleveland has to take Tannehill. they can pass on him and let the Dolphins take him.

[onejayhawk]

I think if Weeden is on the board at #36, they take him. There is a good possibility they take him at #22. He is a classic drop back type, and a year closer to starting than Tannehill. The only knock is the age, and he has not taken the hits NFL players his age have.

J

[twiz]

Originally Posted by onejayhawk

I think if Weeden is on the board at #36, they take him. There is a good possibility they take him at #22. He is a classic drop back type, and a year closer to starting than Tannehill. The only knock is the age, and he has not taken the hits NFL players his age have.

J

Still old. Still can't build an offense around a guy of that age. I think even the top of the 2nd is too soon for a backup QB, because that's what he'll be viewed as. He should try to aspire to be Jeff Garcia.

[Wrathman]

Originally Posted by onejayhawk

I think if Weeden is on the board at #36, they take him. There is a good possibility they take him at #22. He is a classic drop back type, and a year closer to starting than Tannehill. The only knock is the age, and he has not taken the hits NFL players his age have.

J

Age, velocity, accuracy and footwork are issues for Weeden according to Greg Cosell. But other than those four things things, he's golden.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Wrathman

Age, velocity, accuracy and footwork are issues for Weeden according to Greg Cosell. But other than those four things things, he's golden.

And don't forget heath issues too. The whole Weeden option for Cleveland is a joke. You might be able to pencil him in around the 3rd or 4th round as a developemental guy (the walrus likes those) but at his age that probably isnt an option.

I dont get the fascination with grabbing a QB you dont want just for the sake of taking one. If they were that crazy about a Griffin or a Flynn they would have made a bigger effort. Maybe they trade down and grab a Tannehill in the middle of round one but my guess is they build up the skill positions for now. It's not like they're a year or two from the Super Bowl.

[Steady Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Wrathman

Age, velocity, accuracy and footwork are issues for Weeden according to Greg Cosell. But other than those four things things, he's golden.

I tried tellin y'all this. Weeden=Kevin Kolb

Meanwhile, Tannehill is going to end up saving Jeff Ireland's job.

[Steady Lurkin]

Originally Posted by onejayhawk

I think if Weeden is on the board at #36, they take him. There is a good possibility they take him at #22. He is a classic drop back type, and a year closer to starting than Tannehill. The only knock is the age, and he has not taken the hits NFL players his age have.

J

I need to stop this constantly perpetuated fallacy.

[A Perfect Score]

Kirk Cousins > Brandon Weeden. He'll be drafted higher too. Cousins is starting to pick up some steam from everything I'm reading, he's supposed to be this year's Andy Dalton. I expect him to go in the Top 40 picks and seeing Cleveland pick him up after adding some weapons in Round 1 wouldn't shock me whatsoever, especially if they decide not to draft Tannehill at 4.

[Witten4HOF]

Put any QB in a Cleveland Brown's uni and they are going to look like crap. (no pun intended) There is absolutely no fire power, Greg Little and Massaquoi are average at best. There are holes along the o-line and over the last three years two converted Fullbacks have been starting RB at one time or another. I understand that Hillis had some success and they play in a "smash mouth division" but there is a need to build up at the talent on that side of the ball before any quarterback has any succuess.

Tannehill is going to have a learning curve coming into the league and not having any assets around him is only going to slow the progress. Three years from now they would be in the same situation as they are with Colt except having wasted a top 10 pick.

Any team that drafts Weeden in the first round outside of a team like the 49er's who have a championship defense, running game, and toys like Manningham, Davis and Moss to throw too is insane. The guy turns 28 in October! By the time your team becomes relevant you are replacing him anyway, not to mention his arm strength will probably decline due to age and a pre existing arm injury.

Osweiler has Ben Roethisberger potential, but is a project. He has to transition from a spread offense, make pro reads and feel comfortable playing under center. Pocket awareness is sub par... doesn't have that natural slide inside the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield and leaves the ball exposed too often. His delivery might need to be tweeked,motion is inconsistant and often throws sidearmed.

Foles is a dead duck in the pocket, and hasn't developed a "soft touch" on throws that need to be finessed. Jekyll and Hyde with his accuarcy, makes nice strong throws into tight windows then misses open targets or fails to get them in a position to do something after the catch.

Cousins is probably the most NFL ready imo, but even he has some slight issues in his throwing motion that may need to be worked on.

Are any of these guys going to make an immediate updrade over McCoy? I certainly don't think so.. This year should be about upgrading talent on offense as whole instead of trying to upgrade QB. If I were the Browns, Trent Richardson is already penciled in a #4, at #22 I look for Kendall Wright/Stephen Hill or Cordy Glenn, and at #37 Fleener or Zeitler.

[49erNation85]

Lamo I doubt SF takes a QB in the first round. We signed Josh Johnson during the FA period.

[Witten4HOF]

Originally Posted by 49erNation85

Lamo I doubt SF takes a QB in the first round. We signed Josh Johnson during the FA period.

haha I wasn't suggesting it.. I was just explaining the perfect storm it would take to make drafting weeden in the first make sense.