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Old 03-29-2012, 07:58 PM    (permalink
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Why do you assume that the Browns interest in Tannehill is not sincere?

Also, if Tannehill goes to the Browns before pick #8, I could see the Dolphins shocking everyone and taking Weeden at #8...
As a NE fan who grew up in South Florida I would be the happiest person btu I doubt that happens
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I have him rated higher than Ponder and he went 12
Still don't get it. QB's in the draft get way overvalued.
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Still don't get it. QB's in the draft get way overvalued.
There is a reason for that, they are the most important position in football.
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Still don't get it. QB's in the draft get way overvalued.
As will the first 3-5 safeties in this draft
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There is a reason for that, they are the most important position in football.
But if the talent isn't there, why draft them so high when you could get better talent at a different position of need?

Sure it's the most important position, but you're setting yourself up for a few years of failure overdrafting a QB that has no business going that high, and preparing if not immediately giving the reigns over to him. We see this every year, and it always boggles my mind.

While the Skins still paid a TON for RG3, it makes what they did look better.
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Rick Spielman has hinted that the Vikes could take Claiborne over Kalil

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...to-matt-kalil/

I'm hoping this is a smokescreen to make the Bucs bite on a trade to 3 to take Claiborne. Since Cleveland won't take Kalil, he would be available for the vikes at 5 barring a Cleveland trade while getting an extra pick or two.
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Ok, I can see him has a late first rounder/project, but as a top 5 guy I feel like he should have undisputed franchise-caliber ability. I don't see it.
You might know this (seeing as your a Browns fan), but you should feel better because Tom Heckert and Pat Shurmur attended Trent Richardson's pro day, not Tannehill's. Unless the walrus was at that one, of course...
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You might know this (seeing as your a Browns fan), but you should feel better because Tom Heckert and Pat Shurmur attended Trent Richardson's pro day, not Tannehill's. Unless the walrus was at that one, of course...
Childress and Whipple were there. But Heckert and Shurmur going to Richardson's makes me feel better. I'm still going to be nervous until that 4th pick comes and goes.

...assuming they don't trade back.
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Why do you assume that the Browns interest in Tannehill is not sincere?
Because of their half-hearted attempts to upgrade the quarterback position this offseason.

Seems like they are intent on sticking with Colt McCoy for one more season.
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Rick Spielman has hinted that the Vikes could take Claiborne over Kalil

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...to-matt-kalil/

I'm hoping this is a smokescreen to make the Bucs bite on a trade to 3 to take Claiborne. Since Cleveland won't take Kalil, he would be available for the vikes at 5 barring a Cleveland trade while getting an extra pick or two.
I don't get how that would work. "We are taking Claiborne unless you trade with us".
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No one is sure if the Browns want Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon, or Tannehill the most. I think the strongest rumors are them taking either Richardson or Claiborne as BPA at #4 (I don't think they view Blackmon as an elite WR and would take him lower, but not at #4). It will be a decision of whether they take the BPA or if they like Tannehill enough that they feel like he is a franchise QB and take him at 4 (all this assuming they can't trade down).

It's not like they'll miss out on an elite guy if they trade down. There is no AJ Green, Julio Jones, Eric Berry, Adrian Peterson, Joe Thomas, Calvin Johnson, Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh type elites in this draft aside from Luck and Griffin. Richardson is a good talent, but RBs who are going to be as good as him can be had much later. Blackmon isn't in that class. Claiborne is a top 10 pick simliar to Joe Haden. The talent in the teens and 20s isn't as far off from those guys as it is some years (much like in 2009) so trading down even if it were 10 spots or so isn't that big of a deal like it was last year - even though the Browns said that they want to stay in the top 10.
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Tannehill is garbage yet someone will draft him in the top 15 picks. This happens every year, teams never learn.
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Tannehill is garbage yet someone will draft him in the top 15 picks. This happens every year, teams never learn.
At least there was hype around guys like Ponder and Gabbert all season. There may have been people that projected Tannehill as a first rounder, but no one on the national stage or most fans talked about him. And it's not because he went to Texas A&M. ESPN loves to talk about the 12th man.
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Rumor has it that Tampa feels they'd be foolish to not take Trent Richardson if he's on the board
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A bit of buzz in Santa Clara that Jim Harbaugh REALLY likes Andrew Luck and he'll be the 49ers' pick if he's there at #30.
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At least there was hype around guys like Ponder and Gabbert all season. There may have been people that projected Tannehill as a first rounder, but no one on the national stage or most fans talked about him. And it's not because he went to Texas A&M. ESPN loves to talk about the 12th man.
more casual CFB fans knew way more about Tannehill last season than they did Gabbert the year before. At least draftniks have been mocking Tannehill in round one since last April. Gabbert was an underclassmen who hit a lot of people out of nowhere. Ponder was more like Tannehill in that regard, but people kinda thought he was a 2nd/3rd rounder after another injury filled, disappointing senior year.

Tannehill always had the first round hype on him for over a year now, but after not doing as well as a senior as people thought he would, I guess he has become overated now and will get drafted higher than he shouldve (EXACT situation as Locker last year - though Locker had #1 overall hype instead of just top 10 hype like Tannehill).
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more casual CFB fans knew way more about Tannehill last season than they did Gabbert the year before. At least draftniks have been mocking Tannehill in round one since last April. Gabbert was an underclassmen who hit a lot of people out of nowhere. Ponder was more like Tannehill in that regard, but people kinda thought he was a 2nd/3rd rounder after another injury filled, disappointing senior year.

Tannehill always had the first round hype on him for over a year now, but after not doing as well as a senior as people thought he would, I guess he has become overated now and will get drafted higher than he shouldve (EXACT situation as Locker last year - though Locker had #1 overall hype instead of just top 10 hype like Tannehill).
Hm. Guess I just don't remember it.
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Because of their half-hearted attempts to upgrade the quarterback position this offseason.

Seems like they are intent on sticking with Colt McCoy for one more season.
Respectfully I disagree with your assessment here.

1) I do not call offering to switch 1st rounders with STL AND 2 ADDL 1st rounders for RG3 a half-hearted attempt when in fact it is more than the Giants gave up to draft ELI, or ATL gave up to select Vick. The fact that Snyder gave up more does not mean that their effort was half hearted.

2) Its easily defensible to question whether Matt Flynn is that much of an upgrade over Colt McCoy. While I think he probably is, a strong case could be made that it is not significant enough to warrant the contract given to Flynn--even if it wasn't as substantial as might have been expected.

3) Jason Campbell or Kyle Orton....really?? C'mon..........

Also, Its way to early to say they are bypassing elite talent again. They sit at 4 now and will get an elite talent. Even if they trade down to 7, they will get one of Kalil,Blackmon,Richardson,Claiborne or Tannehill. If they could get one of those 5 AND pick up an extra 2 or 3--then I'm sorry that is what a GM should do. The caveat to this is that they would--in this scenario-- believe that Tannehill is worthy of drafting that high.

Now, if they trade down farther than that, then I agree--not a wise move. Although I will point out that if I can get Phil Taylor, Greg Little, someone like Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd at #22, and whomever at #118 (Ryan Lindley??) for Julio Jones I would probably do that trade again FWIW.......
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I will point out that if I can get Phil Taylor, Greg Little, someone like Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd at #22, and whomever at #118 (Ryan Lindley??) for Julio Jones I would probably do that trade again FWIW.......
Yet none of that matters if Colt McCoy is your quarterback. :o)

Anyway, we will see but I just don't think the Browns are taking Tannehill at #4.
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Oh, they are throwing Claiborne and Blackmon's names around as well.

It's beginning to look more and more like the Browns are going to continue their trend of passing on blue-chip talents and going for quantity over quality. How is that working out?
I hope it works out better than reaching for a guy like Christian Ponder at 12.
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Please be true. Please.
I have a feeling this is not true. Although I think Cleveland could trade down with Jacksonville at #7, who wants Blackmon, and still get Tannehill. But I think he is their guy.
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Not saying it's a rumor, but I think there is the possibility Cleveland and Jacksonville potentially switch 1st round picks. Jaguars getting Blackmon, Browns get Richardson/Tannehill at 7.

Also it's starting to seem like Quinton Coples to the Panthers at 9 might be a lock, and David DeCastro should be drafted in the 11-13 range not getting by Arizona at 13.
I totally see that Jacksonville trade happening.
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I really wish I understood why Tannehill is getting the hype he is. I don't remember hearing or reading about him at all during the season, but as soon as Barkley and Jones decided to stay, he's a top 5 guy?
Actually he got a ton of hype during the season. Their were just 2 or 3 other guys that got a lot more. QB's are overvalued in the draft. He is probably a mid to late 1st round guy based on his overall grade. But Ponder was a 2nd rounder based on his and he went 12th overall. QB's are just valued more.
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I have a feeling this is not true. Although I think Cleveland could trade down with Jacksonville at #7, who wants Blackmon, and still get Tannehill. But I think he is their guy.
Bald made a good point earlier... Cleveland HC and GM went to go see Richardson. Their OC went to go see Tannehill. Sounds like they're more interested in Richardson.
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Bald made a good point earlier... Cleveland HC and GM went to go see Richardson. Their OC went to go see Tannehill. Sounds like they're more interested in Richardson.
Sometimes teams purposely show more attention to or avoid prospects as smokescreens.
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