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Old 03-07-2012, 04:03 PM    (permalink
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This reminds of the pro arguments in favor of Blaine Gabbert last year. He played poorly in 2010 for Mizzou, yet his advocates argued his franchise QB tools made him worth a top 10 pick. So far he hasn't shown that in the NFL, but I'm going to give him more than a rookie year before I make any final evaluations on his NFL career.


The argument for Tannehill is slightly different. Statistically he had a good season in 2011, and put up better numbers than either Locker, Ponder, Gabbert, while throwing for more yards and TDs than Andy Dalton and more yards than Newton.

Tannehill ended the 2010 season with six consecutive wins in his first six starts, and played well against LSU in the Cotton Bowl.

Tannehill lacks experience, but he has had enough moments where he flashed next level ability at his position that it's not totally insane for him to
be overdrafted in the top 10.

Poe is a curiosity to me.

I'd love to have my team bring him into camp and kick the tires, see if he can be coached/motivated into an NFL Dlineman. But if the SKins took him at 6 I'd be nauseous.
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There were arguments in favor of Blaine Gabbert?
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we can say the same thing about Ryan Tannehill, with the exception of not having once in a generation tools. The draft isn't really about what's fair or who's the better football player. it's about need matching upside. a team needs a QB they will reach. a team needs an interior DT they will reach. It happens every year.
If you don't see Tannehill doing things on the field that other QBs don't, you don't know what to look for.

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several years ago, I actually was very much against drafting JPP high based on backflips and 6 career sacks. Live and learn. rare once in a generation physical tools absolutely matter. And it's deserved. the draft is beholden to laws of supply and demand, and guys with Poe's skills are in high demand ( and extremely low supply).
JPP was an All-American each year he player. 6.5 sacks isn't mind-blowing, but 16.5 tackles for a loss is impressive, and it was his first year playing D-I ball after having 24.5 sacks the previous two years. I just wrote this in another thread. No, JPP didn't have a high sack total for South Florida, but he had everything else.

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I had never thought about it and it does indeed make perfect sense. That's why my mind was blown because it's a good idea.
I actually kinda think this, too. I'm curious.

And just to be clear, I don't think he'll be terrible. But people've got him going top-10. He's a second or third rounder. He's a more athletic, less impactful Terrance Cody. He gets pushed around even though he can throw the bench press up over 40 times and weighs 350. Second round is fine, early first is not.
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God damn this is an informative thread. Completely did a 180 on my opinion of this guy.

Sounds like he has a bunch of potential, but he is just a technical mess. Short arms and poor leverage generation and instinct - sounds like a horrible combination for someone being touted as a developmental prospect.

Obviously speed and size are intriguing, but I think he falls to 20. Better hope he is coachable.
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God damn this is an informative thread. Completely did a 180 on my opinion of this guy.

Sounds like he has a bunch of potential, but he is just a technical mess. Short arms and poor leverage generation and instinct - sounds like a horrible combination for someone being touted as a developmental prospect.

Obviously speed and size are intriguing, but I think he falls to 16. Better hope he is coachable.
Fixed for accuracy. If a 6'5 350 pounder with that kind of athleticism is sitting there for Rex Ryan I have trouble seeing him pass. Jets might have the biggest, most athletic front 3 in the league, and the coaching staff knows how to coach DL guys. Also, they grabbed Dunbar after the Vikings fired him.
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I honestly can't see Poe fall past 14 with Dallas. You really think Jerry would pass on a prospect like Poe, plus they need NT/DE help. Ratliff and Poe would be fun to watch.

I still have Poe going to Carolina at 9 for now, theres a chance Kuechly could get drafted there which would cause Poe to fall some. KC at 11, DAL at 14, PHI at 15 and NYJ at 16 will all consider Poe if he's on the board.
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I honestly can't see Poe fall past 4 and Dallas. You really think Jerry would pass on a prospect like Poe, plus they need NT/DE help. Ratliff and Poe would be fun to watch.
If you're an NFC East running back.
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Poe's going top 10. He's got the size, the tools, and the versatility. Some team is going to fall in love and want to get into the top 10 if he is there.
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What makes Poe different than a guy like Bruce Campbell?

Both tore up the combine, had bad tape but was in EVERYONES top 15 picks, Mayock had him in his first round as well, and a lot of people had him going 8th overall to the Raiders. And a lot of people had him as the best tackle in the draft.

He was picked by the Raiders.....in the 4th round, 12th or 13th tackle taken.
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You could be right, but I think it is an apples to oranges comparison.
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What makes Poe different than a guy like Bruce Campbell?
Defensive tackle and offensive tackle are very different positions? From DTs you take impact plays when they come, but you don't need a guy to be 100% all the time, you honestly don't need them to be 90%+ all the time. On the other hand, for OTs "consistence" is arguably the single most important characteristic, is that if your LT takes a play off 5% of time time, then it's only going to take 20 plays to get your QB killed.

It's also somewhat simpler to mold a DT from raw clay than it is for an OT. Most defensive tackles coming into the NFL have to go through a significant seasoning process, very few DTs are ready to go as rookies.
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I'm gonna call it now Poe is going to the Eagles.
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What makes Poe different than a guy like Bruce Campbell?

Both tore up the combine, had bad tape but was in EVERYONES top 15 picks, Mayock had him in his first round as well, and a lot of people had him going 8th overall to the Raiders. And a lot of people had him as the best tackle in the draft.

He was picked by the Raiders.....in the 4th round, 12th or 13th tackle taken.
From what I remember, Campbell had a medical red flag - not sure it was something that came out into the public domain.
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How seriously do we take the talk of Poe to Carolina at #9? I am about 60/40 that it has to be the first option in a mock.

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Just thinking outside the box a little bit...is anyone else wondering why Poe isn't an offensive guard? 6'5", 350, can move well, super strong, short arms...
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Just thinking outside the box a little bit...is anyone else wondering why Poe isn't an offensive guard? 6'5", 350, can move well, super strong, short arms...
The good thing is that as an OG, Poe would have an advantage from his experience at DT because he would know what a DT would be thinking.

This is a great idea.
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The good thing is that as an OG, Poe would have an advantage from his experience at DT because he would know what a DT would be thinking.

This is a great idea.
Would someone really draft a defensive tackle in the first round to convert them to offensive guard though?
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How seriously do we take the talk of Poe to Carolina at #9? I am about 60/40 that it has to be the first option in a mock.

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Carolina has been obsessed with Quinton Coples throughout the draft process; Coples is a far more productive player than Dontari Poe with similar potential. Poe would be my backup option there if someone such as Jacksonville grabs Coples although it would be a mistake to draft a second-team all-Conference USA player in the top ten.
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Would someone really draft a defensive tackle in the first round to convert them to offensive guard though?
No, they wouldn't. I wasn't really suggesting that they do so either. I guess I was just thinking out loud that he had the build and skillset for a guard, and maybe if someone had thought about that a few years ago we would be talking about a fantastic guard prospect with lights-out numbers.
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Would someone really draft a defensive tackle in the first round to convert them to offensive guard though?
My post was actually a parody on another former poster's frequent "switch Player A to opposite side of the ball for this advantage" posts.

I believe this poster once said Vince Young should be a DE and Michael Vick should be a CB--in each instance it was because they would know what the opposing QB was thinking.
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My post was actually a parody on another former poster's frequent "switch Player A to opposite side of the ball for this advantage" posts.

I believe this poster once said Vince Young should be a DE and Michael Vick should be a CB--in each instance it was because they would know what the opposing QB was thinking.
Didn't it start with Juice Williams converting to DE? I forgot Juice Williams even existed.
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Didn't it start with Juice Williams converting to DE? I forgot Juice Williams even existed.
I think you're right.
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Didn't it start with Juice Williams converting to DE? I forgot Juice Williams even existed.
Was that Starheather? Who kept making those threads?
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Was that Starheather? Who kept making those threads?
Nah, Starheather was all about Sergio Kindle and how he was the evolution of the LB position and a lock two wins. Championship.

Juice to DE was IDD I think.
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