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Old 04-13-2012, 04:21 PM    (permalink
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This guy can't wait to see Tebow smite you heathens. Haven't you fools yet realized that logic is no longer applicable?
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
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That sure as hell doesn't include me. Tebow is a joke. And this thread is funny. You mean to tell me a WR would rather play with a HoF QB than a gimmicky QB with no arm? The hell you say!
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Actually, I think the most interesting thing to take away from Thomas' comments are that Tebow's leadership and intangibles were clearly overrated. The entire team clearly did not rally around Tebow or play ten times harder, because Timmy Terrific was leading them. If that were the case, I don't think you'd see so many of his teammates act so cavalierly about his departure.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:19 PM    (permalink
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This is such a pointless thread. Tebow's had receivers complaining about him since Florida. With Tebow it always has been, and always will be, a narrative about whether he can win games on his own. That's what bugs people. He distracts from the team concept, and gets a disproportionate amount of praise, seemingly on account of the fact that he wins despite playing without any sense of football strategy. Receivers are expected to run disciplined routes, but Tebow doesn't play disciplined; he does whatever he wants. And he did it at Florida, and he did it in Denver, and he's always had a winning record, so he gets the accolades. Denver was limited by Tebow last year in many ways, but watching the fourth-quarter drives he put together, you know that was all Tebow, too. He's at his best when he doesn't have to execute a specific gameplan. But I just don't really get why it's considered newsworthy that his former teammate is excited to play with Peyton Manning. He'll get to play his position the way he's used to playing it, instead of being a downfield run-blocker and occasionally chasing down a deep ball.

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I was pretty happy about the fact that Tebow was trolling so many people. What i find funny is how Demaryius says he doesn't want to talk bad about Tim after he talks bad about Tim, lol.
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I was pretty happy about the fact that Tebow was trolling so many people. What i find funny is how Demaryius says he doesn't want to talk bad about Tim after he talks bad about Tim, lol.
like how people say "no offense but.." right before they offend someone
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Actually, I think the most interesting thing to take away from Thomas' comments are that Tebow's leadership and intangibles were clearly overrated. The entire team clearly did not rally around Tebow or play ten times harder, because Timmy Terrific was leading them. If that were the case, I don't think you'd see so many of his teammates act so cavalierly about his departure.
They're just trying to cover up how hurt they are to have lost him.
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Wheres that one 49ers fan with the Gator logo on his avy? I expected him to come into this thread swinging.
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He stopped by to say that we're all just being mean to poor Tim.
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Ahh, I missed him on my first read through... I was expecting paragraphs..
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ok, so where are all of you people who were, on this very board, trying to tell broncos fans we were wrong last season about tebow's complete and utter inability to play qb? come on, y'all were pretty vocal for a while. i'm sure you want to tell demaryius that he's wrong and that tebow was actually a really good passer and the sole reason the team was any good.
Who ever said he was a good QB? Everyone argued that he was the reason they won games with his clutch play in the 4th quarter and his ability to make others believe that if the game is close that he'll put them in position to win. No one ever said he was an amazing QB that I recall.

You guys were saying it was all defense, when in fact they were more overrated than Tebow. They couldn't stop a good offense if it was a life or death situation.
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Who ever said he was a good QB? Everyone argued that he was the reason they won games with his clutch play in the 4th quarter and his ability to make others believe that if the game is close that he'll put them in position to win. No one ever said he was an amazing QB that I recall.

You guys were saying it was all defense, when in fact they were more overrated than Tebow. They couldn't stop a good offense if it was a life or death situation.
Please don't say "everyone" said Tebow was clutch and he put them in position to win. The only people saying that would be Tebow apologists.

That defense was the sole reason Tebow's ineptly led offense had a chance to win games at the end. That's what happens when you hand the keys to the offensive to a fullback.

-_- Or does completing single digit passes and having multiple three and outs actually help your defense now by giving them more reps?
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Please don't say "everyone" said Tebow was clutch and he put them in position to win. The only people saying that would be Tebow apologists.

That defense was the sole reason Tebow's ineptly led offense had a chance to win games at the end. That's what happens when you hand the keys to the offensive to a fullback.

-_- Or does completing single digit passes and having multiple three and outs actually help your defense now by giving them more reps?
What competent QB did that defense stop? Rivers in his funk year? Look at the Qb's/teams they played well against. Orton with like 2 weeks of work, Palmer same situation, Chicago's backup, Sanchez, etc... The Packers, Chargers (1st game), Buffalo, Pats, Det, and Minny all lit up the score board against them.

They were severely overrated.

Tebow was not an efficient QB and yes he needs tons of work and I admitted to so, but that defense was ridiculously overrated. If it weren't for Tebow they may have been picking 1st overall (Which is what I think Elway's plan was honestly after cutting Orton and trading Lloyd for nothing. )

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that's hilarious. luckily for me, i'm not feeding the trolls today.
If I were you I'd probably not try to feed me either since I've pwned you every other time we've had a debate. I guess that's what happens when facts get in the way though.
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yes, your utter and complete lack of ability to watch broncos games begat so much 'pwning'. it's almost cute, really.
I watched everyone thank you very much. Sunday ticket and DVR is a beautiful thing. Not saying the defense didn't play well during that stretch too, and that they weren't good against poor competition but they were completely murdered by descent offenses. It's easy too look good against backups and guys just taking over.

Just tell me one good offense they stifled besides the Chargers 2nd game.
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Go Tebow! I love Tebow.

Look, while I'm rooting for the guy, I obviously acknowledge that he sucks. But to be fair, he sucked a little less with each passing game, you did see slight improvement over the course of the season, climaxing in Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

He's a long way to go, but you can't help but root for the guy. Would I want him qb'ing my team? Hell no. But he's just so damn entertaining, I really hope he sticks around. I love watching him play.

And I love how controversial he is. Keep defying logic Tebow!
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Go Tebow! I love Tebow.

Look, while I'm rooting for the guy, I obviously acknowledge that he sucks. But to be fair, he sucked a little less with each passing game, you did see slight improvement over the course of the season, climaxing in Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

He's a long way to go, but you can't help but root for the guy. Would I want him qb'ing my team? Hell no. But he's just so damn entertaining, I really hope he sticks around. I love watching him play.

And I love how controversial he is. Keep defying logic Tebow!
Not really. He was absolutely horrendous the last two games of the regular season, and in the playoff game against the Patriots, a bad defensive team. The Steelers game was an outlier, an abberation, a fluke.
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Not really. He was absolutely horrendous the last two games of the regular season, and in the playoff game against the Patriots, a bad defensive team. The Steelers game was an outlier, an abberation, a fluke.
[troll]It was the offensive coordinator's fault.[/troll]

Hell, if we can use that lame excuse for every other qb on this forum, we can use it for Tebow too.

If it's the OC's fault that *insert qb here* threw that INT, doesn't throw it deep, keeps getting sacked, etc, then let it apply to him too.
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What competent QB did that defense stop? Rivers in his funk year? Look at the Qb's/teams they played well against. Orton with like 2 weeks of work, Palmer same situation, Chicago's backup, Sanchez, etc... The Packers, Chargers (1st game), Buffalo, Pats, Det, and Minny all lit up the score board against them.

They were severely overrated.

Tebow was not an efficient QB and yes he needs tons of work and I admitted to so, but that defense was ridiculously overrated. If it weren't for Tebow they may have been picking 1st overall (Which is what I think Elway's plan was honestly after cutting Orton and trading Lloyd for nothing. )
Listen, I agree the Broncos D was massively overrated. I agree they couldn't play with top-flight offenses, and their production was inflated against the dregs of the league.

However, they were very productive over the eight-game stretch where they went 7-1. They were responsible for keeping the Broncos in all those games, even if they weren't that great themselves. They went 8-5 down the stretch while only scoring 20 points three times.
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[troll]It was the offensive coordinator's fault.[/troll]

Hell, if we can use that lame excuse for every other qb on this forum, we can use it for Tebow too.

If it's the OC's fault that *insert qb here* threw that INT, doesn't throw it deep, keeps getting sacked, etc, then let it apply to him too.
Now that he's with the jets of course were going to have to listen to that excuse. Were still hearing it for Sanchez.
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Listen, I agree the Broncos D was massively overrated. I agree they couldn't play with top-flight offenses, and their production was inflated against the dregs of the league.

However, they were very productive over the eight-game stretch where they went 7-1. They were responsible for keeping the Broncos in all those games, even if they weren't that great themselves. They went 8-5 down the stretch while only scoring 20 points three times.
Again, this was against the dregs of the league (or for the most part)--No one disagree's with that so what's the issue? . People are using the defense against Tebow when they were more holistic than apart--which is one of the main points. If Tebow weren't so clutch at the end of games, what impact did that have on the D to make them feel like keeping it close would result in a W? I think it's an easy assumption that the D felt that if they kept it close that Tebow would somehow pull it out (and he proved that by doing it over and over). So while the team as a whole wasn't very good, they did win games with a solid D effort (most weeks) and clutch QB play when it counted most.

The problem was that people were making excuses as to WHY the wins were occurring by making it look like it was entirely the defense when in fact it was a combination of both clutch QB play during the time it counted, solid D and good special teams (on occasion). If the D were to buckle and give more points then Tebow would have had no chance at coming back. If Tebow would have faltered in the clutch they would have no chance to win or tie. The point is, that both of those things happened and were dependent on each other. The reason people took exception is because the detractors were giving NO credit to Tebow and just crediting the D which was a huge falsification.
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Again, this was against the dregs of the league (or for the most part)--No one disagree's with that so what's the issue? . People are using the defense against Tebow when they were more holistic than apart--which is one of the main points. If Tebow weren't so clutch at the end of games, what impact did that have on the D to make them feel like keeping it close would result in a W? I think it's an easy assumption that the D felt that if they kept it close that Tebow would somehow pull it out (and he proved that by doing it over and over). So while the team as a whole wasn't very good, they did win games with a solid D effort (most weeks) and clutch QB play when it counted most.

The problem was that people were making excuses as to WHY the wins were occurring by making it look like it was entirely the defense when in fact it was a combination of both clutch QB play during the time it counted, solid D and good special teams (on occasion). If the D were to buckle and give more points then Tebow would have had no chance at coming back. If Tebow would have faltered in the clutch they would have no chance to win or tie. The point is, that both of those things happened and were dependent on each other. The reason people took exception is because the detractors were giving NO credit to Tebow and just crediting the D which was a huge falsification.
Very fair point. Each camp on this issue was probably oversimplifying the issue. However, when came to the core issue of whether Tim Tebow is good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL, supporters would point to his record and nothing else. They were ignoring all the other confounding factors like the defense and the softness of their schedule during that stretch.
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